ackanomic Digest Friday, January 22 1999 Volume 04 : Issue 021 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: More Reform Suggestions Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:32:46 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, JT wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote: > >What do people think about the following Vote Economy: > > > >Everyone has a Vote Characteristic. Default value is 2. > > Why not start it at 1? > > >Players may raise their Vote Characteristic by 1 at a cost of A$3000. > >They may lower their Vote Characteristic by 1 to receive A$2500. > > This strongly favors the players who've been playing longer since they are > the ones who'll be able to up their vote characteristic. After a while > (ie when a numberof players have 4 or 5 which will eventually happen) > then new players will wonder why they should even bother as their vote > won't make a signifigant difference. > > While I'm not against a voting economy since I agree that the only thing > upon which 'scarcity' can be implemented really is the ability to propose > and the ability to vote, I do worry that an economy will divide the game > into the haves and the have-nots, and if you become a have-not in nomic, > there is no real way to change that since by being a have-not in a voting > economy, you no longer have the power to change the status quo. I was concerned about it in relation to earlier similar proposals. But this suggestion seems to go towards haves and have-mores. The other ideas that have been bounced around here sound interesting enough. Niccolo Flychuck ------------------------------ From: Eric Plumb Subject: Re: acka : The Presidential Debate - the Questions! Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:23:17 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Gavin Logan wrote: > I'm afraid I was herberted by Laa Laa on this one. I too would choose > Chihuahuahuauauhuauahua but for very different reasons. These would include: > hitting cats in the face with an oversized comedy fist; screaming "You > eeee-diot!" at the top of my hoarse little voice; being mistaken for a > misquito. The list is figuratively endless. But includes, of course, serenading Mexican pizzas and mouthing insincere, badly dubbed Spanish platitudes such as "Yo quiero coger tu pierna." Right? > harf, creativity, clarity and silliness. My least favourite rule is the new > numbering system. The one so annoying that I don't even know its number. I would vote for O Olde Alpha just because of this opinion, except that I'm already writing in William Shatner! for! President! > >VII. Is this a question. Yes? Oh, and while I'm on ackanomic I support Alfvaen's nomination to the Hall of Elders if there is indeed any need to do so. -Hubert Sex on television can't hurt you unless you fall off. ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Observation Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:35:58 -0500 (EST) Rule 7-1 (Entity Ownership) At any given time, each ownable entity is either owned by one or more named entities, Somewhere Else (unowned), since the church/org/institutions didn't have their possessions transferred explicitly to the treasury everything they own is in fact SomeWhere Else.... as far as the pe page is concerned I just left them were they were. The org page is one big non-entity tracking exercise anyway.... K 2 Towsner wrote: > Just thought I'd note: since Churches are no longer entities, all > entities owned by Churches have gone to the treasury. > > -- > -Henry Towsner > > > > Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and > enjoy it. > -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4011 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:54 -0500 (EST) Oh boy, I'm diseased. I run around and touch ever player in Ackanomic - infecting them with this deadly and incurable strain. I then go to the Library and read from that book (in that room) I then go to the University. K 2 K 2 wrote: some text not intended for public consumption :) ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: *ping* Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:34:47 -0500 (EST) I wonder who I'm kidding :/ Apologies for the lateness again. JT won the biding non contest for the letter d and has been charged A$15. IF AND ONLY IF today ****** *** *****d ********** *** *** ***** *** ** ** ** ******, THEN the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go *ping*. Today is Tuesday, the 19th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 7 times. Today is Wednesday, the 20th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 8 times. Today is Thursday, the 21th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 9 times. Today is Friday, the 22th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 10 times. K 2 ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: End of Cycle 33 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:34:49 -0500 (EST) Here it is the information you've all been waiting for :) Notes: Parties, Societies and institutions are no longer rule defined and thus are not entities and all of their former belongings are now Somewhere Else. While Churches are defined and are apparently permitted to own things, being nonentities the entity ownership rule moves their possessions Somewhere Else as well. As a result the only taxable entities are players and the following is based on that fact? ******* Taxable Entity Class Total Tax After Wealth Tax -------------------------------------------- Ethelred Undead 1 1 0 mr cwm Undead 120 12 108 Ballot Stuffer Undead 168 17 151 Mr. Lunatic Fringe Undead 195 20 175 this is not a name Undead 216 22 194 IdiotBoy Player 232 24 208 Brinjal Undead 240 24 216 404 Not Found Player 257 26 231 Bascule Undead 284 29 255 saaremaa Undead 378 38 340 J. M. Bear Undead 387 39 348 rufus Player 410 41 369 Eric. Player 421 43 378 r-attila the farce Player 456 46 410 Chaos Undead 473 48 425 Niccolo Flychuck Player 486 49 437 Fortunato Player 497 50 447 Calvin N Hobbes Player 526 53 473 Robert Sevin Player 536 54 482 Wild Card Player 558 56 502 two-star Player 603 61 542 Vynd Player 629 63 566 Robin Hood Player 671 68 603 Danek Player 687 69 618 Rig R. Mortis Undead 699 70 629 Blest Lax Monk Pal Player 701 71 630 Slakko Player 712 72 640 Euphrates Player 765 77 688 Scandall Player 900 90 810 WoHo Player 900 90 810 K 2 Player 960 96 864 Alfvaen Undead 1116 112 1004 breadbox Undead 1142 115 1027 else…if Player 1347 135 1212 Laa Laa Player 1548 155 1393 Guy Fawkes Undead 1855 186 1669 O Olde Alpha Player 1944 195 1749 Studge Player 2081 209 1872 JT Player 2694 270 2424 /dev/joe Player 3067 307 2760 ThinMan Player 7199 720 6479 ******* Trent’s Tax Rich Entity Class Total Tax Poor Entity Class Total Wealth Wealth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- O Olde Alpha Player 1749 88 IdiotBoy Player 208 Alfvaen Undead 1004 51 404 Not Found Player 231 Studge Player 1872 94 rufus Player 369 Laa Laa Player 1393 70 Eric. Player 378 else…if Player 1212 61 r-attila the farce Player 410 JT Player 2424 122 Niccolo Flychuck Player 437 Scandall Player 810 41 Fortunato Player 447 K 2 Player 864 44 Calvin N Hobbes Player 473 breadbox Undead 1027 52 Robert Sevin Player 482 /dev/joe Player 2760 138 Wild Card Player 502 Euphrates Player 688 35 two-star Player 542 WoHo Player 810 41 Vynd Player 566 ThinMan Player 6479 324 Robin Hood Player 603 Guy Fawkes Undead 1669 84 Danek Player 618 Slakko Player 640 32 Blest Lax Monk Pal Player 630 ******* End of Cycle Pay & Goose Eggs Score Ackanomic Name Status Real Name ----- -------------- 1234 ------------- 248 JT (JT Traub) 159 O Olde Alpha (Gavin Logan) 151 else…if (Henry Towsner) 138 K 2 (Kelly Kelly) 136 ThinMan (John Bollinger) 105 Calvin N Hobbes (Thierry Joffrain) 99 Studge (Tom Meuller) 90 Blest Lax Monk Pal (Gavin Doig) 88 Laa Laa (Tom Walmsley) 76 Robin Hood (Robert Shaw) 75 Eric. (Eric Plumb) 69 Vynd (John McCoy) 54 Slakko (Duncan Richer) 46 /dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis) 43 Danek (Bill Palmer) 38 Wild Card (Jonathan David Amery) 38 r-attila the farce (Bryan Federico) 28 Niccolo Flychuck (Uri Bruck) 11 IdiotBoy (Matt Miller) 7 two-star (Alexandre Muniz) 2 404 Not Found (Joel Ricker) ---- Goose Eggs Below This Line ---- 0 Euphrates (James McGregor) 0 Fortunato (Aaron Keesler) 0 Robert Sevin (Mitchell Harding) 0 rufus (David Scheidt) K 2 ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:39:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: (no subject) #vote 4027 n ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: CFJ 720 (Cortez's Courtly Cortege) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:13:35 -0500 (EST) Call for Judgement 720 - January 17, 1999 Subject: We're all allowed one mistake Initiator: Studge (sent Jan 17 1999, 11:04 Acka) Judge: Wild Card Judgement:FALSE Appealer: Blest Lax Monk Pal Cortex: Cortez's Courtly Cortege Statement: If all rules were repealed then any rule could be created with anyone's command. Reasoning: I'm just wondering, basically.... Judge's Reasoning: Rules would not exist. Nor any means of creating them... Appelant's Reasoning: While there would be no rules, that does not prevent the creation of rules. As an example, consider the foundation of Acka (or any other nomic). It could be argued that it would be possible to start a new game in this manner, but not to change the rules of the current game. I would argue that just because there are currently no explicitly defined rules, it does not follow that the game is over. Some games (e.g. the canonical roleplaying example, cowboys and indians) can be played with only the vaguest of rules. If the game doesn't end with the repeal of all rules then it would be possible to create new rules within the game. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Bill Palmer Subject: Re: Acka: *ping* Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:27:30 -0500 (EST) what IS the frequency of the ping? Or, more accurately, what is the pitch of the ping? I would like to know as it will have bearing on the acquisition of a hearing-ear dog... one wrong ping and pow, pulled into traffic... wouldn't want that to happen now would we? Are we now on the fourth floor? Danek > Today is Tuesday, the 19th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has > Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone > *ping* 7 times. > > Today is Wednesday, the 20th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has > Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone > *ping* 8 times. > > Today is Thursday, the 21th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has > Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone > *ping* 9 times. > > Today is Friday, the 22th of January, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has > Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone > *ping* 10 times. > > K 2 ------------------------------ From: "Gavin M. Doig" Subject: Acka: snowgod's Disease (was (no subject)) (Mmm, nested brackets) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:32:50 -0500 (EST) IdiotBoy wrote: >#vote 4027 n > I am calling a Public Health Emergency on IdiotBoy for the above quoted text. I am the Undergraduate Med Student for this hearing. The valid responses: "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" "No, e, uh, meant to do that." Reply to burn the witch. Blest Lax Monk Pal. ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: LilacKaki Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:30:59 -0500 (EST) I retract P4011. K 2 ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: CFCJ 177 (K 2) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:47:51 -0500 (EST) Due to an unfortunate oversight, CFCJ 177 has languished for almost two months. It has now been reassigned to K 2. Call for Criminal Judgement 177 - November 25, 1998 Subject: Pol Pot being Annoying Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 25 1998, 02:27 Acka) 1st Judge: Thomas Jute 2nd Judge: K 2 Judgement: Statement: Pol Pot committed the crime of being annoying on 11/24/98 Reasoning: In order to satisfy the (unchanging) requirements for treasure in the proper manner, Pol Pot failed to conform in full with his unwavering desire (which e is rarely if ever able to fulfill) to refrain from being annoying. This CFCJ is merely "static" or "noise" used to meet the conditions of a treasure. This would actually fit the fourth definition of being annoying quite will. Gaoler ThinMan! Put on your uniform! Judges! Don your silken robes and lift your wooden gavels! I have filed suit and stand, unmoving, waiting for your justice. I am still an Ackan, steady in my dedication to Acka, but I am a criminal in the most complete manner imaginable. Suggested Penalty: a) a DEDUCTION of 60 points from Pol Pot's score b) a FINE of A$5000 payable Treasury. c) a SENTENCE in the Gaol of 101 days d) the TRANSFERENCE of one the trinket "Mr. Treen" to the initiator of the CFCJ. e) a PUBLIC APOLOGY of 20 or more lines g) the REMOVAL of Pol Pot from the Religious Caste h) The IMPEACHMENT of Pol Pot from the office of Dungeon Master -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: CFJ Archive Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:12:16 -0500 (EST) The CFJ archive is updated and will be located at http://www.ackanomic.org/~else/cfjindex.html So far only the most recent files are located there, but all of them will eventually be moved there. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ Archive Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:13:45 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Towsner wrote: > The CFJ archive is updated and will be located at >http://www.ackanomic.org/~else/cfjindex.html So far only the most recent >files are located there, but all of them will eventually be moved there. After looking at the updated CFJ by player information, it is my great pleasure to award a Bronze Torch to r-attila the farce for having delivered Judgement on 15 CFJs. Congratulations. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V4 #21 ******************************