ackanomic Digest Tuesday, January 12 1999 Volume 04 : Issue 011 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Name change and address change Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:20:34 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Tom Walmsley wrote: >After much consideration I ask that the registrar change my name to "Laa >Laa". I ack this name change. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Re: Acka: Date Attack Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:41:50 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Towsner wrote: > >The rules now regulate dates to which Ackanomic is invited. The rules do > >not specify how Ackanomic can be invited on a date. Therefore no player > >can invite Ackanomic on a date. > > > >Suggestions? > I think this falls under the natural english interpretation. Yes, but wouldn't an invitation to a date count as a change to the game state? Dates are now regulated, and hence can only be organised as the rules specify, and the rules DO NOT SPECIFY. -- Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Ackanomic | U. of Cambridge Web-Harfer, CotC, ThrallMaster, Map-Harfer, Justice | 2nd Year PhD(PMa) ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: now that they're useless Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:44:48 -0500 (EST) I convert 15 points into a common otzma card. -- Trent Butthead, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, DeeJay, Dungeon Master, Grey Councillor, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: re: Acka: now that they're useless Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:46:03 -0500 (EST) >I convert 15 points into a common otzma card. this was obviously incorrect/failed, as it is not rule-defined I convert 15 points into an otzma card of rarity normal/common that'll teach me to read the rule first. -- Trent Butthead, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, DeeJay, Dungeon Master, Grey Councillor, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" Subject: Acka: Intended Resignation Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:18:04 -0500 (EST) I announce my intent to resign as Clerk of the Court. I have come to this decision as I am interested in maintaining my job as Web-Harfer, but I need to reduce my workload somwhat. I do have 2 CFJs and 2 CFJ decisions backlogged - hopefully I can do this tonight. Yours, Slakko -- Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 717 (TRUE) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:24:30 -0500 (EST) else...if has judged this TRUE. Call for Judgment 717 - Jan 5, 1998 Subject: Swingership Initiator: NY E NJ (Sent Jan 4 1998, 22:56 Acka) Judge: else...if (chosen Jan 5 1998, 17:13 Acka) Judgement: TRUE Statement: JT is a swinger. Initiator's Reasoning: JT says he is. I'm unconvinced. I don't care either way but can someone work it out for certain please? Judge's Reasoning: No rule says that the undefining of an entity causes it to be destroyed. In fact, nothing has destroyed the parties, and they still exist (undefined). Now, if, given the provision that "Whatever is not explicitly prohibited or regulated by the rules, however, is permitted and unregulated.", a player were to destroy them (by publicly saying so), they might be destroyed. Regardless, they exist at the moment, as do the Swingerships. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 706 (FALSE) (upheld) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:24:35 -0500 (EST) Amicus Draconis have ruled this FALSE. Call for Judgement 706 - November 23, 1998 Subject: Church Policy PWCFJ Take 2 Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 23 1998, 05:31 Acka) 1st Judge: Thomas Jute (chosen Nov 24 1998, 04:27 Acka) (deadbeat) 2nd Judge: rufus (chosen Dec 04 1998, 5:20 Acka) (deadbeat) 3rd Judge: ThinMan Judgement: FALSE Appellant: Trent Cortex: Amicus Draconis Judgement: FALSE Statement: The legality of Pol Pot's donation of Alice in Wonderland to They Might Be About to Win a Cycle cannot be determined with finality. Reasoning: this is a paradox win CFJ Rule 1301 says: c. A Player who disobeys the Church Policy of a Church of which he or she is a member is guilty of Iconoclasm, which is a Crime. It is impermissible for a Player to take a game action which constitutes Iconoclasm if he or she has any legal alternative which would not constitute Iconoclasm. [That is, Iconoclasm normally doesn't happen unless there is no alternative. It is possible for a player to commit Iconoclasm by inaction, though.] Because the Church Policy is continually flipping back and forth between requiring and not allowing its members to donate such trinkets to the Church, it is impossible to determine with finality which state the game was in when I attempted to donate the trinket. Judge's Reasoning: The court agrees with the submitter that it impossible to determine what the Church Policy was when he attempted to donate the trinket. However, this is not a matter of legality at all. According to rule 701 (Crime): To perform an action specified by the Rules to be Illegal is the Crime of Illegal Action. An action specified by the Rules to be "impermissible" is, by contrast, impossible. Although such an action does not occur it is not in itself a crime. In setting up a contrast between the illegal and the impermissable, Rule 701 establishes that impermissible does not imply illegal. To the contrary -- it is the Court's interpretation of the last (somewhat unclear) sentence quoted above that an action being impermissable does not cause attempts to perform that action to be Crimes. As the rule specified just before that to perform an illegal action is a Crime, it follows that to attempt to perform an impermissable action is not illegal. In reviewing this case the Court considered that there may be a precedence argument that would have the donation occur even if impermissable. The Court has not and will not decide that issue, for it is not relevant to the case. There are several reasons why the attempt to donate the trinket might fail, and it may be impossible to determine whether or not the attempt succeeded, but failed attempts to perform actions have never been considered illegal in Ackanomic, and successful attempts are certainly legal. The CFJ statement is FALSE. Appellant's Reasoning: If an action does not occur, its legality is nonexistent. This means that the legality of an indeterminately permissable action is indeterminate. ThinMan's dichotomy into legal/illegal actions as per Rule 701 is specifically oriented toward crime. Other meanings of the word 'illegal' pervade the rules (examples in Rules 342, 620, and throughout the Party Chess and subgame Rules). For either of these two reasons, the CFJ should therefore be overturned to TRUE Cortex's Reasoning: The Court agrees with the reasoning of the original judge. It is not possible to determine whether or not the action of donating Alice in Wonderland to They Might Be About To Win The Cycle (hereafter refered to as the Church) occurs. However, this does not prevent us from determining the legality of the action. There are only two possibilities. 1) The Church policy required the donation, in which case the donation was legal. 2) The Church policy forbid the donation, in which case it failed. This failed attempt at an action is also legal. Thus regardless of the result of the success of Pol Pot's attempt to donate Alice in Wonderland to the Church, we know that the result was legal. This CFJ is FALSE. Let the appealer be fined 1 point. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 718 (IdiotBoy) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:24:43 -0500 (EST) IdiotBoy has been selected. Call for Judgement 718 - January 10, 1999 Subject: Crime but not a CFCJ Initiator: K 2 (sent Jan 10 1999, 17:44 Acka) Judge: IdiotBoy Judgement: Statement: IdiotBoy committed the Crime of Blatant Disregard. Reasoning: On 05 Jan 1999 23:54:01 received a random puzzle piece from the Ackanomicon. Rule 10-1-2-1 requires that the recipient describe it within three days. Since no description has been forthcoming.... Suggested Penalty: Transference of all of eir tradable and non-tradeable entities to the initiator of this CFJ Imprisonment for 1000 days Expulsion from the game of Ackanomic Since I'm too cheep to pay A$25, I'll submit this as a CFJ :) ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 719 (Eric.) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:24:47 -0500 (EST) Eric. has been selected. Call for Judgement 719 - January 10, 1999 Subject: Remind me: Which thread are we in anyway? Initiator: K 2 (sent Jan 10 1999, 17:44 Acka) Judge: Eric. Judgement: Statement: The required number of YES votes for a proposal to be accepted is a majority of the total number of YES and NO votes legally cast within the prescribed voting period. Reasoning: The attempted actions performed by the four players who like to call themselves 'The Diktat' failed. It is alleged that Organisational Actions are unregulated, however, Rule 1-2-6 (Public Actions) states: " Each attempt to perform an action either succeeds or fails. To perform an action entails two things: first, to attempt the action; and second, for the attempt to succeed. Referring to information contained in other documents or data sources does not constitute including that information in the message. " While it is uncontested that to attempt an Organisational Action is unregulated, the success of such an action is regulated - Rule 6-4-14 (Org Harfer): " (c) determining whether Organisational Actions and Motions to Corporations succeed or fail, as per Rule 1006, and whether the Standard Harfer Fee was paid. " On 02 Jan 1999 19:39:51 else...if made the statement: " I approve all suggestions made to the Diktat. " This is highly ambiguous since at the time no named entity was named thus (the four players had as yet not made the rule change to name themselves) Assuming that statement (and a similar one made by Alfvaen) succeeded in being unambiguous in approving the action; it was then publicly knowable that the four players were _attempting_ an Organisational Action - all that remains is to determine if it _succeeded_. At the time Rule 1006 had the flowing to say about Organisational Actions: " If Church Policy is silent about methods for suggesting and approving Organisational Actions, then the Founder has the authority to suggest and approve Organisational Actions of behalf of the Church. An announcement by the Founder that the Church takes a certain Organisational Action, that announcement is taken to implicitly include both the suggestion and the approval. " The four players have no founder and 'becoming' a founder is regulated by R1006. " If a given Church has no Founder, and Church Policy is silent about method for suggesting and approving Organisational Actions, then the following procedure is followed: a. Any member of the Church may publicly suggest that the Church take a certain Organisational Action. b. If within three days at least 2/3 of the members of the Church who are also Active players publicly approve, and not a single Priest debunks it, the Organisational Action is attempted. If all the Priests who are also Active players publicly approve before three days have elapsed, then Organisational Action is attempted when the public message of the last Priest to approve is posted. " The four players are not defined as being a church, nor can they become a church since rule 1006 regulates the creation of such non-entities. Thus we have the situation were there are no members of the church to suggest an action nor any to approve it. Since, according to rule 1006, either a founder, or a _chruch member_ must make a suggestion and then approve of it for an Organisational Action to occur and since Rule 6-4-14 regulates the success of Organisational actions, all actions attempted by the four players selected according to Rule 4-9 have failed. Thus the modification made to Rule 2-1 by P3892 to change the acceptance level for proposals to >50% remains. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Intended Resignation Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:59:12 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote: >I announce my intent to resign as Clerk of the Court. I announce the beginning of nominations for the Functional Office of Clerk of the Court. Please replay to nominate yourself. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Potato (rufus) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:11:19 -0500 (EST) Rufus has the Magic Potato. WoHo has the Tuba. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: dice-admin@pbm.com (Dice server) Subject: Acka: Point conversion to Otzma Card with F-designation of Common/Norm Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:21:38 -0500 (EST) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dice rolls requested by: JT Rolls also sent to: ackanomic@ackanomic.org # Player: Trent # This is determining the Otzma Card aquired for converting 15 points # A result of a card that is already at max instance costs the points but # gains no card. # 1 Go Fish (normal) # 2 Shield (normal) (at max instance) # 3 Map Shard (normal) # 4 Share My Expenses (normal) # 5 Share Your Income (normal) # 6 Swinging Sale (normal) # 7 Tactical Retreat (normal) (at max instance) # 8 Paratroop (normal) # 9 Foul Fowl (normal) (at max instance) # 10 Truthseeker (normal) # 11 Skeleton Key (normal) # 12 Artic Explorer (normal) # 13 Roulette Wheel (normal) # 14 Training Regime (normal) No. of sides on every die: 14 No. of dice for every roll: 1 No. of dice rolls requested: 1 No. of rolls per line: 1 8 Information on the dice server: DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! 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For instructions on using the dice server, send a message with subject "help" to dice@pbm.com, or see http://www.pbm.com/dice/ The dice server is provided by: Shadow Island Games http://www.pbm.com/ ================================================= ** NewHoo Web Directory ** An army of editors surfing the web for you! http://www.NewHoo.com/ ================================================= Original message follows: > From jtraub@dragoncat.net Tue Jan 12 21:21:06 1999 > Received: (from smtp@localhost) by xkey.com > id VAA15685 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:21:06 -0500 > Received: from herne.dragoncat.net(216.122.4.136) by xkey.com via smtp (V1.3) > id sma015655; Tue Jan 12 18:21:04 1999 > Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) > by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29420 > for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:21:14 -0800 > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:21:14 -0800 (PST) > From: JT > To: Dice Server > Subject: Acka: Random Otzma Card (F-Des Common/Normal) > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > #P ackanomic@ackanomic.org > #T Acka: Point conversion to Otzma Card with F-designation of Common/Normal > #S 14 > #D 1 > #R 1 > #L 1 > > #C Player: Trent > #C This is determining the Otzma Card aquired for converting 15 points > #C A result of a card that is already at max instance costs the points but > #C gains no card. > #C > #C 1 Go Fish (normal) > #C 2 Shield (normal) (at max instance) > #C 3 Map Shard (normal) > #C 4 Share My Expenses (normal) > #C 5 Share Your Income (normal) > #C 6 Swinging Sale (normal) > #C 7 Tactical Retreat (normal) (at max instance) > #C 8 Paratroop (normal) > #C 9 Foul Fowl (normal) (at max instance) > #C 10 Truthseeker (normal) > #C 11 Skeleton Key (normal) > #C 12 Artic Explorer (normal) > #C 13 Roulette Wheel (normal) > #C 14 Training Regime (normal) > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 iQCVAwUBNpwDKz8NitsTFjcVAQFyhQQAk9UYkLEAbiIhTyimjfyrBrBY4Feh9KJV sz1q2j4l9kwsDDMR8ukKaJs7Te16f/mkCYOfvakG/nPbH+a20fChepBEDeQXVSAX 3JoOeA4wAaleD7EYFYSVconc78EwbG7jWa79wM+V9NgPuOfH1VUX+Z5P9bzXx7jN CQYPSc4dEl8= =V5Jx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V4 #11 ******************************