ackanomic Digest Tuesday, December 08 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 439 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: Acka: Potato (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 00:01:12 -0500 (EST) Wild Card has found the Potato. Alfvaen has the Tuba (and can still use it :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 00:05:45 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map > stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If > everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of > BWG, but not so much. > -- > Trent I go to Trent's house and stand around outside. Then I go home. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu > > Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, > Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird > ------------------------------ From: "Bryan Federico" Subject: Re: Acka: Melon Purchase Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:02:17 -0500 (EST) I go to the AIGR. I purchase an additional head at a cost of A$50. I go home. R-Attila The Farce (:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Bryan Federico" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3822 accepted Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:05:23 -0500 (EST) I set my rebeliousness charateristic to "on" R-Attila The Farce (:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Bryan Federico" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3822 accepted Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:36:48 -0500 (EST) I set my rebelliousness characteristic to 'off'. Sorry Trent for making you switch it twice i did it cause of the gov change that didnt really happen R-Attila The Farce(flip/flop flip/flop) (:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 02:35:04 -0500 (EST) I go to my house! Niccolo Flychuck On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map > stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If > everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of > BWG, but not so much. > -- > Trent > > Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, > Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: CFJ 708 (Wild Card) (FALSE) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:01:46 -0500 (EST) Wild Card has ruled this FALSE Call for Judgement 708 - November 23, 1998 Subject: Caste Membership II Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 23 1998, 13:40 Acka) 1st Judge: rufus (chosen Nov 25 1998, 04:04 Acka) (deadbeat) 2nd Judge: Wild Card Judgement: FALSE Statement: Else...if is currently a member of a Caste. Reasoning: Clearly this CFJ is very closely related to my previous one. JT made 3 random determinations and told them to me as dungeon master, but did not post them publically. Were these valid in terms of letting people into their castes? Since the determinations were made and I was told what the results were after people were removed from their castes by 3724, did that removal affect else..if? Note that the same question applies to ethelred and Red Barn. Judge's Reasoning: None -- Trent Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: Vacationing Justice Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) seeing as Slakko has gone on Vacation, JT has been selected to fill eir seat in an Acting capacity. The current CFJs under review by Cortez' Courtly College are CFJ 700 and CFJ 704 -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: CFJ 707 (Studge deadbeat) (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:39:30 -0500 (EST) Thomas Jute has gone deadbeat. r-attila the farce has been selected. Call for Judgement 707 - November 23, 1998 Subject: Caste Entry Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 23 1998, 13:40 Acka) 1st Judge: Thomas Jute (chosen Nov 25, 1998, 4:04 Acka) (deadbeat) 2nd Judge: r-attila the farce Judgement: Statement: Else...If has been a member of a caste since e last joined Ackanomic Reasoning: I don't know whether this is true or not. When does a player coming off ice join a caste? Immediately? When the determination is made? -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: CFCJ 178 (Euphrates) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:45:16 -0500 (EST) Call for Criminal Judgment 178 - Dec 7, 1998 Subject: Count Tabula non-performance Initiator: Trent (sent Dec 7 1998, 12:47 Acka) Judge: Euphrates Judgement: Statement: Studge Committed the Crime of Non-Performance on Dec 5 Reasoning: E also committed the crime on the 4th and the 8th. I called for an election for the empty grey council seat on Dec 1. Count Tabula called it INCORRECTLY for a religious seat instead of a Worker Seat. Even if it had been called correctly, the nomination period would have ended on the fourth, and nominees should have been released for voting consideration on the 7th, two days ago. I called for an election for deejay on Dec 5. Count Tabula failed to respond within 3 days. In the duel between MTM and Jenny, both limericks were posted on Nov 29. There followed a 3 day voting period. The duel should have ended on the 2nd. Count Tabula has failed to do eir duty for 3 days in this instance. Suggested Penalty: a A$25 Fine payable to the treasury Impeachment of Studge from the office of Count Tabula -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:51:13 -0500 (EST) Wild Card has been selected Call for Judgment 710 - Dec 7, 1998 Subject: Thrall Win Initiator: K 2 (sent Dec 7 1998, 7:12 Acka) Judge: Wild Card Judgement: Statement: K 2 has an Unclaimed Winning Condition by Rule 615 (Win By World Domination). Reasoning: On 05 Dec 1998 23:52:19 with the acceptance of P3830 I enthralled rufus making me Overlord of 16 active players. There are currently 26 active players in ackanomic which means that I am overlord of more than 60% of all active players, by rule 615 this gives me a winning condition, or it would have if I didn't have the goose. At 07 Dec 1998 20:17:07, Trent, the acting CotC distributed a verdict of False on CFJ 709 - a PWCFJ. This caused the goose to befriended else...if. Gooseless and with more than 60% of all active players enthralled to me, never having achieved a winning condition in this manner let alone won a cycle by it, rule 615 awarded me a winning condition. The thralls were gained in the following manner (I have deleted those thralls which were lost to JT and Trent on 05 Dec 1998 12:10:58): 01 Dec 1998 04:11:26 3776: Euphrates -> K 2 3778: Robin Hood -> K 2 3779: JT -> K 2 3783; Alfvaen -> K 2 3786: /dev/joe -> K 2 3791; Thomas Jute -> K 2 3793: two-star -> K 2 3794: ThinMan -> K 2 3796: MTM. (True Name Eric Plumb) -> K 2 3799: Wild Card -> K 2 07 Dec 1998 09:56:14 3823: 404 Not Found -> K 2 3824: else...if -> K 2 3825: Jenny -> K 2 3827: Fortunato -> K 2 3828: IdiotBoy -> K 2 3830: rufus -> K 2 -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:56:09 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > Wild Card has been selected > > Call for Judgment 710 - Dec 7, 1998 > Subject: Thrall Win > Initiator: K 2 (sent Dec 7 1998, 7:12 Acka) > Judge: Wild Card > Judgement: > > Statement: > K 2 has an Unclaimed Winning Condition by Rule 615 (Win By World > Domination). Sigh. I knew it was too much to hope for that you would somehow lose track of this. :) No offense to K 2, but what do people think of this whole winning by enthrallment business? Hardly anyone seems to bother with the whole potential enthrallments for proposals thing. Hardly surprising, really, since with any competition you would have to keep up a pretty steady stream of proposals to stand any chance of accumulating many thralls. Even out of those few players who do make lots of proposals, only a few seem to be enthralling people. With hardly any competition going on, it seems to me that accumulating thralls is downright easy. I'm thinking that as a cycle winning condition, this system isn't very good. We should either make it harder to acquire (although perhaps easier to keep) thralls, or find some other kind of reward for being an Overlord. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu ------------------------------ From: AARON KEESLER Subject: RE: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:59:39 -0500 (EST) I go home. I then go to my level of the Monolith. >-----Original Message----- >From: Gabe Drummond-Cole [SMTP:blafard@uclink4.berkeley.edu] >Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 4:35 PM >To: ackanomic@ackanomic.org >Subject: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! > >please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map >stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If >everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of >BWG, but not so much. >-- >Trent > >Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, >Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird > ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:31:42 -0500 (EST) Vynd wrote: >> Statement: >> K 2 has an Unclaimed Winning Condition by Rule 615 (Win By World >> Domination). > > >Sigh. I knew it was too much to hope for that you would somehow lose >track of this. :) > >No offense to K 2, but what do people think of this whole winning by >enthrallment business? Hardly anyone seems to bother with the whole >potential enthrallments for proposals thing. Hardly surprising, really, >since with any competition you would have to keep up a pretty steady >stream of proposals to stand any chance of accumulating many thralls. Even >out of those few players who do make lots of proposals, only a few seem to >be enthralling people. With hardly any competition going on, it seems to >me that accumulating thralls is downright easy. I'm thinking that as a >cycle winning condition, this system isn't very good. We should either >make it harder to acquire (although perhaps easier to keep) thralls, or >find some other kind of reward for being an Overlord. Well, on the one hand, it has always been the case that those players who are more active have had a better chance of winning cycles. On the other hand, however, we do have a mechanism other than thralldom (points) in place for apportioning wins to players who get lots of proposals passed. The Thralldom win has the feature that other players can have a more direct effect on one's collection of Thralls than on one's accumulation of points, therefore the Thrall scheme is a different style of competition. Still, I don't think we need both to be winning conditions, and I also think that if we keep the Thrall win then we might want to raise the threshold. ThinMan ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:47:38 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: >Sigh. I knew it was too much to hope for that you would somehow lose >track of this. :) > >No offense to K 2, but what do people think of this whole winning by >enthrallment business? Hardly anyone seems to bother with the whole >potential enthrallments for proposals thing. Hardly surprising, really, >since with any competition you would have to keep up a pretty steady >stream of proposals to stand any chance of accumulating many thralls. Even >out of those few players who do make lots of proposals, only a few seem to >be enthralling people. With hardly any competition going on, it seems to Speaking as one of those who does propose often, and who even remembers to occasionally send in potential enthrallments, I will attest to how hard it is to remember to send in a potential enthrallment. >me that accumulating thralls is downright easy. I'm thinking that as a >cycle winning condition, this system isn't very good. We should either >make it harder to acquire (although perhaps easier to keep) thralls, or >find some other kind of reward for being an Overlord. I would personally favor doing away with Winning by World Domination and seeing if we couldn't find something else to replace that with. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: Objection Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:26:57 -0500 (EST) I object to Trent's discovery. The latest one, the bag of holding thing. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: remembrance hearing - ACK!!! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:32:10 -0500 (EST) At 01:56 PM 12/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:53 PM 12/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I am calling a Remembrance Hearing on Rule 1217 (Grab-A-Donkey) >> >>I am Hearing Harfer. >> >>The valid responses to this hearing are "It's not bad, but it's not good. >>It must be ugly" and "YES!". >> >>If the result is the former i pay the SHF to the Treasury. If the result is >>the latter the rule becomes an Excellent rule. bad/good/ugly: /dev/joe JT EBS EBS ThinMan Jenny YES: smallpox blanket EBS MTM Robin Hood Studge SPLAT!!!! With Jenny's vote coming in only 2 minutes before the deadline, the rule almost became excellent. Oh well. -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:57:11 -0500 (EST) I Pseudo-found the corporation named OPM. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:59:21 -0500 (EST) At 03:57 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >I Pseudo-found the corporation named OPM. > i apply to join -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:59:58 -0500 (EST) >I Pseudo-found the corporation named OPM. Sounds fun. I express interest in joining. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:03:10 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: >>I Pseudo-found the corporation named OPM. > Sounds fun. I express interest in joining. I announce the founding of this corporation, with the members being JT, else...if, and Trent. I pay the SHF as required to found this corporation, and announce it's name to be OPM. I look confused at the rule requiring me to announce the corporations type, but decide at AB- is good enough for now. Each of the shareholders owns 40 shares of OPM stocks. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:06:17 -0500 (EST) I offer OPM the trinket "The Previous Sentence" in exchange for A$3000 I approve of this -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:08:09 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: >I offer OPM the trinket "The Previous Sentence" in exchange for A$3000 >I approve of this I approve of this. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: A Founding Foundling Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:08:40 -0500 (EST) >I offer OPM the trinket "The Previous Sentence" in exchange for A$3000 >I approve of this As do I -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: aCKA: feeling generous Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:10:09 -0500 (EST) I give JT A$1000 I give else...if A$1000. That's your holiday present, else. -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: Objection Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:15:40 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: > I object to Trent's discovery. The latest one, the bag of holding > thing. As do I. IB ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Objection Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:17:44 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Matt Miller wrote: >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: > >> I object to Trent's discovery. The latest one, the bag of holding >> thing. > >As do I. I believe this was the fourth such objection and the discovery is Debunked. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Objection Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:19:03 -0500 (EST) At 04:15 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: > >> I object to Trent's discovery. The latest one, the bag of holding >> thing. > >As do I. > >IB > and with that, the bag goes down in flames. -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:25:20 -0500 (EST) So, is anyone going to explain how OPM made up A$3000 out of whole cloth? I'm not sure how much longer I am interested in playing Scam of the Day as opposed to Ackanomic. IB ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:29:02 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Matt Miller wrote: >So, is anyone going to explain how OPM made up A$3000 out of whole cloth? > >I'm not sure how much longer I am interested in playing Scam of the Day as >opposed to Ackanomic. Corporations aren't prohibited from voluntary debt. A fix is forthcoming. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:34:47 -0500 (EST) At 04:25 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >So, is anyone going to explain how OPM made up A$3000 out of whole cloth? > >I'm not sure how much longer I am interested in playing Scam of the Day as >opposed to Ackanomic. > Scam of the Day is so much more exhilerating -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:39:33 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > At 04:25 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >So, is anyone going to explain how OPM made up A$3000 out of whole cloth? > > > >I'm not sure how much longer I am interested in playing Scam of the Day as > >opposed to Ackanomic. > > > > Scam of the Day is so much more exhilerating > The fact that you and others honestly believe that is why I now leave Acka. IB ------------------------------ From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:28:29 -0500 (EST) K 2 wrote: > JT wrote: > > > >>Web-Harfer > > I volunteer for this position. If any one wants to help me pls. let me know, it > would be much appreciated. I'll probably be able to help out a bit/do a few of the pages because most of Slakko's vacation coincides with my school holidays. The only time I anticipate being away for any length of time in the coming weeks is from this Sunday to the next Wednesday when I'm down in Oxford fo my university interview (/me ducks oncoming projectiles thrown by Slakko, Wild Card and other Cambridge bods we have around here) so I won't be able to help out then but I don't see any pages being un-updated for four days being a real problem. Oh yes, and for reasons beyond my control I won't be able to update anything December 25th either despite the fact that nothing of any use happens on that day. Jenny, practicing atheist and cynical *way* beyond eir years. -- Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Acka: Movement Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:28:30 -0500 (EST) I go to the FM building. I go to the museum. I go home. I go to Vulcan Headquaters. I go to the library. I go to the vault of the book. I go to the monolith. I go to the library. I blow my nose. Very loudly. I play "draughts" by the Ancient Chinese (probably) on the Ackanomic sound system control panel with MTM (or a cardboard cutout of him if he's not at the library) and win (or lose if it was a cardboard cutout). I go to the politeness moon. I jump off the poliyeness moon and parachute down onto the party chess board. I knock over all of JT's chess pieces and then leave the party board. I go to the Ackanomic printing guild. I go to cow town hotel. I go to the infinite number of cow town hotels that should have been created by that rule. I go to Trent's house and post a letter bomb through his door. I go to the Wilds of Ackanomic. I round up all the donkeys that ran off there during the current game of grab a donkey. I distract IdiotBoy to stop him covering his donkey. I go to the Ackanomic Institute of Genetic replication. Jenny. -- Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Movement Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:36:30 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote: >I go to the FM building. >I go to the museum. >I go home. >I go to Vulcan Headquaters. >I go to the library. >I go to the vault of the book. This being tried less than 24 hours after I visited the vault, does not succeed. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:48:28 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > Reasoning: > On 05 Dec 1998 23:52:19 with the acceptance of P3830 I enthralled rufus > making me Overlord of 16 active players. There are currently 26 active > players in ackanomic which means that I am overlord of more than 60% of > all active players, by rule 615 this gives me a winning condition, or it > would have if I didn't have the goose. At 07 Dec 1998 20:17:07, Trent, > the acting CotC distributed a verdict of False on CFJ 709 - a PWCFJ. > This caused the goose to befriended else...if. > Who changed Rule 615 so that it said ACTIVE players? I could have sworn it just said players. If that was the limit, I'd be happy to keep the rule. -- Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:03:27 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > At 04:25 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >So, is anyone going to explain how OPM made up A$3000 out of whole cloth? > > > >I'm not sure how much longer I am interested in playing Scam of the Day as > >opposed to Ackanomic. > > > > Scam of the Day is so much more exhilerating > Some of us feel otherwise. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu > -- > Trent > > Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, > Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker > Caste, Weird > ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:10:33 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Matt Miller wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > > > At 04:25 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >So, is anyone going to explain how OPM made up A$3000 out of whole cloth? > > > > > >I'm not sure how much longer I am interested in playing Scam of the Day as > > >opposed to Ackanomic. > > > > > > > Scam of the Day is so much more exhilerating > > > > The fact that you and others honestly believe that is why I now leave > Acka. > > IB > > I wish IdiotBoy a fond good bye and good luck. If he were not already enshrined, I would nominate him for the hall now. Instead, I will point out that someone will probably have to move the mailing list and webpages that are being hosted by ackanomic.org. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:14:41 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: >I wish IdiotBoy a fond good bye and good luck. If he were not already >enshrined, I would nominate him for the hall now. Instead, I will point >out that someone will probably have to move the mailing list and webpages >that are being hosted by ackanomic.org. I asked IB about this. He expressed to me privately the willingness to continue hosting the ackanomic.org domain on brain as he has been. Unless there is some pressing need to move the pages and lists, I don't see any reason to do so. I would recomend anyone who hosts pages there to keep copies just in case something happens however. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: Daily Scam. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:14:57 -0500 (EST) >Some of us feel otherwise. Personally, I don't find scams particularly objectionable. I think that finding holes in the rules is important, and I think that it is appropriate for the finder to take a *small* profit from them. I think that had we taken A$50,000 from this scam, it would have been inappropriate. Instead we took a small sum in exchange for finding the flaw (and, I should note, some really serious flaws in the trading rules). I enjoy scamming and counter-scamming, and consider it part of the fun of nomic. I should add that this scam was unintentional. I had intended the Corporation rules to work, and I only uncovered this today. I would not put a scam into a proposal that complicated, I don't think that's fair. -- -Henry Towsner Rules are made to be followed to excess ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote: >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: >> Reasoning: >> On 05 Dec 1998 23:52:19 with the acceptance of P3830 I enthralled rufus >> making me Overlord of 16 active players. There are currently 26 active >> players in ackanomic which means that I am overlord of more than 60% of >> all active players, by rule 615 this gives me a winning condition, or it >> would have if I didn't have the goose. At 07 Dec 1998 20:17:07, Trent, >> the acting CotC distributed a verdict of False on CFJ 709 - a PWCFJ. >> This caused the goose to befriended else...if. >> > >Who changed Rule 615 so that it said ACTIVE players? I could have sworn >it just said players. If that was the limit, I'd be happy to keep the >rule. Rule 615 does indeed say active, and in fact the original proposal (3415) specifies active players. So noone changed it. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: "Gavin M. Doig" Subject: acka: 5 down, 19 to go Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:25:26 -0500 (EST) I have pointed my Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really at sIRE, and pressed the ENERGIZE button, giving the quoted anagram "rSiE". JT, you're next. ;-) sb. ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Corporations Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:28:56 -0500 (EST) At 10:24 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Let me make sure I have this straight: Organizations have been dumped in >>favor of Corporations, Political Parties, and Churches, each as a seperate >>type of entity. As I look over the rules, I find that this was a very bad >>thing, at least in implementation. > No. Churches and Political Parties are still Organizations. > >>1) It appears that all of the infrastructure has been pulled out from under >>Parties and Churches. In particular, I don't quite see how they can make >>decisions any more, nor do most of the other things they used to be able to >>do. > No, it's towards the end of the 1000's. > >>2) There are references to Organizations all over the rules which now have >>no referrent. Among those is one in the "Voluntary Debt Prohibited" rule. >>This is bad both in that Corporations are less regulated, and in that >>Corporations are less empowered. > There's a rule in the high 1000's which provids info about Orgs. > >>3) It is unclear to me that Corporations can do much of anything other than >>pass or reject motions. Which is to say, I don't see where Corporate >>motions have any effect. Rule 1003 simply gives conditions under which a >>motion passes; it does not say what happens then. I observe that this has >>significant implications for a recent scam attempt. > I don't know what more is needed than a statement that they can >accept a trade. That seems sufficient to let them accept trades. > >-- >-Henry Towsner > > > > Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and >enjoy it. > -Logan Pearsall Smith > you guys. Move this thread to ackanomic@ackanomic.org -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Re: Acka: attn ** Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:54:18 -0500 (EST) Alexandre Muniz wrote: > I admit Trent and JT into JAM. > I suggest that Trent be expelled from JAM. > I approve this suggestion. > I suggest that JT be expelled from JAM. > I approve this suggestion. > > **two-star Note that these suggestions are not valid. By rule 1050, describing the procedures for arganizational action, "The suggestion must include the name of the organization for which it is being suggested." There is no organization named JAM. **two-star ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V3 #439 *******************************