ackanomic Digest Monday, December 07 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 438 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Ballot Stuffer) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:05:23 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, JT wrote: >Ballot Stuffer has found Phoebe's Matchbox I will note that Ballot Stuffer going On Ice did not trigger a reassignment of Phoebe's matchbox since he doesn't own the matchbox while he has found it. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: CFC Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:31:05 -0500 (EST) >I request membership in the Coalition For Change >Niccolo Flychuck I belive CFC is now a Corporation in which each of the four of us own 25 shares. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: CFC Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:33:24 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: > >I request membership in the Coalition For Change > >Niccolo Flychuck > I belive CFC is now a Corporation in which each of the four of us > own 25 shares. > Ermm, I hate to be a dolt, but what does this mean? To allow admittance, we sell our shares? (Hey, Vynd, where are the rules? *snicker*) IB ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: CFC Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:39:19 -0500 (EST) >Ermm, I hate to be a dolt, but what does this mean? To allow admittance, >we sell our shares? Assuming the rules work properly, CFC has 100 shares evenly distributed. Decisions require between 51 and 67 shares worth of players to support them (50%+1 or 66.6%+1). I suggest that the CFC mint 25 shares for Trent, 25 for JT, and 25 for Niccolo Flychuck. That would give each of them equal standing. It requires three of us to support it. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: CFC Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:43:24 -0500 (EST) >>Ermm, I hate to be a dolt, but what does this mean? To allow admittance, >>we sell our shares? > Assuming the rules work properly, CFC has 100 shares evenly >distributed. Decisions require between 51 and 67 shares worth of players >to support them (50%+1 or 66.6%+1). I suggest that the CFC mint 25 shares >for Trent, 25 for JT, and 25 for Niccolo Flychuck. That would give each of >them equal standing. It requires three of us to support it. Sorry, we start with 120 shares, so I suggest creating 30 shares for each of them (Trent, JT, Niccolo) -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:47:43 -0500 (EST) >Clerk of the Courts >Map-Harfer >Thrallmaster >Web-Harfer > > >I am acting officer for all of the above (except Grey Council) and will >gladly accept anyone who wishes to take on any or all of these in an >acting capacity. > >Please publically state your interest in filling in for any of these. > I am very willing to do any of these other than Web-Harfer -- Trent Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:51:37 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: >>Clerk of the Courts >>Map-Harfer >>Thrallmaster >>Web-Harfer >> >> >>I am acting officer for all of the above (except Grey Council) and will >>gladly accept anyone who wishes to take on any or all of these in an >>acting capacity. >> >>Please publically state your interest in filling in for any of these. >> > >I am very willing to do any of these other than Web-Harfer Since I'm in a first come, first served mood today, I hereby appoint Trent as Acting Thrallmaster, Acting Clerk of the Court, and Acting Map-Harfer. Enjoy. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: CFC Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:09:49 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: > >Ermm, I hate to be a dolt, but what does this mean? To allow admittance, > >we sell our shares? > Assuming the rules work properly, CFC has 100 shares evenly > distributed. Decisions require between 51 and 67 shares worth of players > to support them (50%+1 or 66.6%+1). I suggest that the CFC mint 25 shares > for Trent, 25 for JT, and 25 for Niccolo Flychuck. That would give each of > them equal standing. It requires three of us to support it. > I consent to this. IB ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:35:20 -0500 (EST) please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of BWG, but not so much. -- Trent Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:41:23 -0500 (EST) >please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map >stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If >everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of >BWG, but not so much. I go to my home -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: Thierry Joffrain Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:23:16 -0500 (EST) I go home, even if I can't ever do so again. CnH ------------------------------ From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:40:49 -0500 (EST) > please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map > stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If > everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of > BWG, but not so much. I go to Vulcan Headquarters. /dev/joe ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Acka: Movement. Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:02:05 -0500 (EST) I go home. I think this means I move approximately 1 AU, but it will make Trent happy. IB ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:11:17 -0500 (EST) I go to the FM building **two-star ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Re: Acka: attn ** Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:19:38 -0500 (EST) Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > > I humbly submit to be accepted by mighty ** into the cult of JAM > -- > Trent I will admit you at the same time as I admit the next person to request to join. **two-star ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: attn ** Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:22:13 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote: >Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: >> >> I humbly submit to be accepted by mighty ** into the cult of JAM >> -- >> Trent > >I will admit you at the same time as I admit the next person to request >to join. I request to join JAM. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:22:37 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: >please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map >stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If >everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of >BWG, but not so much. Just to be clear. I go to the library. I enter *that* room. I go home. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: dice-admin@pbm.com (Dice server) Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:25:54 -0500 (EST) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dice rolls requested by: JT Rolls also sent to: ackanomic@ackanomic.org # Player: JT # Ackanomicon Determination # based on the following (using a 49 sided die) # 1 - 15 Arcane Trivia # 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies # 21 - 25 Inner Workings # 26 - 30 Arcane Lore # 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages # 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact # 35 - 36 Mutation # 37 - 38 Dark Domain # 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure # 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit # 42 - 42 Catastrophe # 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit # 47 - 47 Ancient One # 48 - 49 Judgement Day No. of sides on every die: 49 No. of dice for every roll: 1 No. of dice rolls requested: 1 No. of rolls per line: 1 24 Information on the dice server: DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! 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For instructions on using the dice server, send a message with subject "help" to dice@pbm.com, or see http://www.pbm.com/dice/ The dice server is provided by: Shadow Island Games http://www.pbm.com/ ================================================= ** NewHoo Web Directory ** An army of editors surfing the web for you! http://www.NewHoo.com/ ================================================= Original message follows: > From jtraub@dragoncat.net Mon Dec 7 19:25:22 1998 > Received: (from smtp@localhost) by xkey.com > id TAA13105 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:25:22 -0500 > Received: from herne.dragoncat.net(207.54.31.1) by xkey.com via smtp (V1.3) > id sma013082; Mon Dec 7 16:25:12 1998 > Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) > by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01596 > for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:25:02 -0800 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:25:02 -0800 (PST) > From: JT > To: Dice Server > Subject: Acka: Nomicon > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > #P ackanomic@ackanomic.org > #S 49 > #D 1 > #R 1 > #L 1 > #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination > > #C Player: JT > #C Ackanomicon Determination > #C based on the following (using a 49 sided die) > #C > #C 1 - 15 Arcane Trivia > #C 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies > #C 21 - 25 Inner Workings > #C 26 - 30 Arcane Lore > #C 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages > #C 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact > #C 35 - 36 Mutation > #C 37 - 38 Dark Domain > #C 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure > #C 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit > #C 42 - 42 Catastrophe > #C 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit > #C 47 - 47 Ancient One > #C 48 - 49 Judgement Day > > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 iQCVAwUBNmxx/D8NitsTFjcVAQEGqAP9Fr86XI6C62n1FrDlT4vaL98+Ssp7j1Jf bKNJjjBubrpwZJDeaz5KsSd3xegOds9xMlvQk0KVYnKkzc6RsD9YNOhP7sH3F9VZ KAKNJXwpCIM5RQp+iAquBNYbKbP1oq39ozu2pCy/4qfpVbD+IWdQXaAUYxNo55Hb KJZv8Sg/Hu0= =WYI4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Re: Acka: attn ** Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:37:49 -0500 (EST) JT wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote: > >Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > >> > >> I humbly submit to be accepted by mighty ** into the cult of JAM > >> -- > >> Trent > > > >I will admit you at the same time as I admit the next person to request > >to join. > > I request to join JAM. > I admit Trent and JT into JAM. I suggest that Trent be expelled from JAM. I approve this suggestion. I suggest that JT be expelled from JAM. I approve this suggestion. **two-star ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: attn ** Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:41:01 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote: >I admit Trent and JT into JAM. >I suggest that Trent be expelled from JAM. I denounce this suggestion. >I approve this suggestion. >I suggest that JT be expelled from JAM. >I approve this suggestion. I denouce this suggestion. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) JT wrote: > >>Web-Harfer I volunteer for this position. If any one wants to help me pls. let me know, it would be much appreciated. K 2 ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:45:32 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, K 2 wrote: >JT wrote: > >> >>Web-Harfer > >I volunteer for this position. If any one wants to help me pls. let me know, it >would be much appreciated. I happily appoint K 2 to Acting Web-Harfer. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Subject: Acka: Emotion In Motion From: alfvaen@connect.ab.ca (Aaron V. Humphrey) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:45:38 -0500 (EST) If it still exists, I go to the Temple of Azpiazu. However, I suspect that with the demise of its owning organization, it does not; in this case, I go to the Tower of Bandwidth. -- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ ) Current Album--The X-Files Soundtrack Current Book--Guy Gavriel Kay:Sailing To Sarantium I tried to contain myself, but I escaped. ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: attn ** Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:49:32 -0500 (EST) At 07:41 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote: >>I admit Trent and JT into JAM. >>I suggest that Trent be expelled from JAM. > >I denounce this suggestion. > >>I approve this suggestion. >>I suggest that JT be expelled from JAM. >>I approve this suggestion. > >I denouce this suggestion. JT cannot denounce this suggestion, but I can and do -- Trent Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Acka: rice down the drain Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:12:23 -0500 (EST) I destroy the Bowl of Rice Product for cash. Men in dark masks with baseball bats pummel me and take it all away. **two-star ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 709 (Trent)(FALSE) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:17:07 -0500 (EST) >On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Duncan Richer wrote: > >> Euphrates has also declined. Trent has been selected. >> >> Call for Judgement 709 - November 24, 1998 >> Subject: Indeterminate Treasure Value PWCFJ >> Initiator: else...if (sent Nov 24 1998, 18:00 Acka) >> 1st Judge: SIRe (chosen Nov 25 1998, 04:05 Acka) (declined) >> 2nd Judge: Euphrates (chosen Dec 4 1998, 05:20 Acka) (declined) >> 3rd Judge: Trent >> Judgement: FALSE >> >> Statement: >> >> It is equally legal and illegal for the Treasure-Harfer to mark the >> treasure described above (the one with the map reading "This sentence is >> false. If the previous sentence is true, else...if will find this >> treasure.") as found. >> >> Reasoning: >> >> First, this is a PWCFJ. >> This is the same concept as PolPot's recent PW. The questions is >> whether this is close enough to be dismissed as invalid. >> >> Vynd's Bronze Torch Reasoning: >In the interest of getting someone to judge this, I append this Bronze >Torch reasoning. This CFJ is INVALID in my opinion. It refers to a >"treasure described above" which is not described anywhere in the CFJ. Judge's Reasoning: Rule 1217 says: "Upon a player (who is not a map custodian with respect to the map in question) achieving the conditions for finding buried Treasure as specified by a Treasure Map, it is a duty of the map writer or a map custodian (if any exist) to make this fact, and the map, public (once they become aware of the condition being achieved, and final act that lead to the condition being achieved is publically knowable)." The treasure map was a simple Eubulides' (Liar's) Paradox. The divisions into which statements are categorized (assuming that we're not in an extended liar's paradox) are the following three: 1) true statements 2) false statements 3) statements with no truth value. I note that this is NOT a case, as was my PW attempt, where at any given moment, one of 1 or 2 was true; there is no temporal element involved here. The statement has no truth value. Going from there, I see one major problem: the final action that led to the finding of the treasure (the truth of the previous sentence) was not publicly knowable. Thus the treasure was never found. The CFJ is FALSE Furthermore, even if the treasure was findable, the best that could be hoped for would be INVALID. The very first Paradox Win was a liar's paradox (CFJ 184) and thus would be INVALID by rules, by rule 211, which says: "Any Paradox Win CFJ which is based on the same sort of Paradox, in the judgement of the judge, as any Paradox Win CFJ ever judged TRUE, shall be judged Invalid." -- Trent Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Retract Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:21:33 -0500 (EST) #retract 3867 #end I retract Prop 3867 since the rule it would have modified got repealed :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:32:43 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > please, everyone, change location. I don't know how valid Slakko's map > stuff is; it has the machine that goes *ping* at niccolo's house... If > everyone moves, we can get valid locations from everyone. It's a bit of > BWG, but not so much. I am on Ganymede. I go for a long walk around this moon... -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Something enthralling Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:41:49 -0500 (EST) I name Danek, who is in Thrall to me, and specify that he create for me a Red Square. I name Trent, who is in Thrall to me, and specify that he create for me a Red Lozenge. I specify the Red Square and the Red Lozenge in my possession and create from them a Red Circle in accordance with rule 1270. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: Offer Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:43:31 -0500 (EST) For old times sake, I offer ** A$123 for Sculpture 31 -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: "Gavin M. Doig" Subject: acka: BPH (JT) - Burn the witch! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:46:39 -0500 (EST) The verdict on the Bracket/Smiley Pedantry Hearing I called against JT was "Burn the witch!". As a result of this JT loses all his tradeable entities to the Treasury, and I win a Cycle. The responses were: It was obviously in violation! K2 Pol Pot sIRE+EBS+sIRE's Ackadollars Slakko It seemed perfectly in violation. Hubert He can't really be ALL those kinds of blankets, can he? Surely that's regulated by the Rules! Hubert's GBS. It seemed perfectly correct to me, monkeyboy! JT + EBSx2 Burn the witch! smallpox blanket smalldelay blanket. ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Something enthralling Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:48:25 -0500 (EST) I name Wyane, who is in thrall to me, and specify that e create a yellow lozenge. I name Ethelred, who is in thrall to me, and specify that e create a green lozenge. I specify the yellow Lozenge and the green Lozenge in my possession and create from them a blue Lozenge in accordance with rule 1270. JT wrote: > I name Danek, who is in Thrall to me, and specify that he create for me a > Red Square. > > I name Trent, who is in Thrall to me, and specify that he create for me a > Red Lozenge. > > I specify the Red Square and the Red Lozenge in my possession and create > from them a Red Circle in accordance with rule 1270. > > --JT > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Re: Acka: Offer Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:52:11 -0500 (EST) I destroy the Golden Glider, (which I didn't deserve in the first place,) for cash. Towsner wrote: > > For old times sake, I offer ** A$123 for Sculpture 31 I accept this offer. I then give else-if A$ 10 as a rebate. **two-star ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Acka: Something some BWG Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:55:32 -0500 (EST) K 2 wrote: > I name Wyane, who is in thrall to me, and specify that e create a yellow > lozenge. I name Wayne, who is in thrall to me, and specify that e create a yellow lozenge. I specify the yellow Lozenge and the green Lozenge in my possession and create from them a blue Lozenge in accordance with rule 1270. K 2 ------------------------------ From: "Gavin M. Doig" Subject: Re: Acka: Something some BWG Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:57:49 -0500 (EST) >K 2 wrote: >I name Wayne, who is in thrall to me, The sleeper must awaken! smallpox bandwidth. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Re: Proposal 3881 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:25:50 -0500 (EST) Just as a good reason to vote for P3881, take a quick look at the minimal value of A$5 for the SHF, and the cost that makes thralls to purchase (A$50). Given two players, one of whom aquired puzzler at a small loss by the process described below, and a second who bought 10 thralls and converted each into a puzzle peice before buying the next. Now that first player who is the puzzler names a winning back that his conspirator happens to own. The second player would then become puzzler, gain a sculpture, a BV, and A$500 (since he would have 10 pieces). The first player now creates 10 thralls and pieces as before, the second player (now the puzzler names a bag he immediately fills) and now we watch ALL of the money in the treasury flow out. And to top it off, they repeatedly bury the sculptures with maps like (this will be found by the next player to become puzzler) or something similar, then collapse it into cash. The fix proposed in P3881 happens to fix this by removing the benefit of rebates for the puzzle pieces when a player gains puzzler by achieving a bag. No, I didn't spot this scam on first looking, but when one of the players involved expressed outrage at P3881 screwing up their scam and then told me about it, I figured a public service announcement was in order :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: A request to ALL PLAYERS! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:30:32 -0500 (EST) I go to Vulcan Headquarters. ThinMan ------------------------------ From: Alexandre Muniz Subject: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:39:00 -0500 (EST) I pay the standard harfer fee to create a contract entitled "Purify JAM Contract" with the following SHEDONTUSEJELLY delimited text. SHEDONTUSEJELLY Terms: I. If the signer has never been a member of the Justified Ancients of Mummu, the signer agrees to attempt to join the Justified Ancients of Mummu. II. If the signer is a member of the Justified Ancients of Mummu, e agrees to attempt to support any suggestion which may be pending to remove any player who is not the player priveledged to accept members into the Justified Ancients of Mummu from the Justified Ancients of Mummu, to attempt to denounce any suggestion to remove the player who is priveledged to accept members into the Justified Ancients of Mummu from the Justified Ancients of Mummu, and to denounce any suggestion to change the membership policy of the Justified Ancients of Mummu to anything other than Privelidged Single Player. III. If the signer is the player privileged to accept members into the Justified Ancients of Mummu, e agrees to accept any other signer of this contract into the Justified Ancients of Mummu. E also agrees to support any suggestion to change the player priveledged to accept members into the Justified Ancients of Mummu to another signer of this contract. IV. Any signer who breaks terms I, II, or III agrees to give A$ 120 to the Justified Ancients of Mummu within one week of breaking these terms. Penalty Clauses: I. The penalty for breaking terms I, II, and III is the loss of 6 points. II. The penalty for breaking term IV is the loss of all A$ and trinkets owned by that player, and the loss of 120 points. Unsigning: A signer may unsign this contract provided that e has given A$ 20 to the Justified ancients of Mummu, and publically posted a sonnet praising Mummu within the previous week. Expiration date: This contract expires July 2, 2014. SHEDONTUSEJELLY ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:51:47 -0500 (EST) I suggest and approve that JAM expell two-star from it's ranks. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:52:42 -0500 (EST) At 10:51 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >I suggest and approve that JAM expell two-star from it's ranks. > i approve this. IT happens... i think -- Trent Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" Subject: Re: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:53:04 -0500 (EST) I request to join JAM /dev/joe ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:46:01 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote: >I request to join JAM I approve of this request. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:46:55 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: >At 10:51 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I suggest and approve that JAM expell two-star from it's ranks. >> > >i approve this. IT happens... i think I believe it does as well. I suggest that temporarily JAM adopt a Communist Single Player membership policy. I approve this suggestion. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V3 #438 *******************************