ackanomic Digest Tuesday, November 24 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 424 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mueller Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:37 -0500 (EST) Alfvaen wrote: > >> I preperation for the Treasure Harfer hand-over I updated the the T189 >> page. The following players are still eligible: > >> AJ [gl25@sonic.net] >> Blarney [jbabrams@hotmail.com] >> Danek [nogad93@blarg.net] >> Euphrates [j.mcgregor@sms.ed.ac.uk] >> r-attila the farce [c_l_o_n_e@hotmail.com] >> sIRE [head@logan18.freeserve.co.uk] >> Robin Hood [head@logan18.freeserve.co.uk] >> scout [scout@brain.mics.net] > >If you mean the H*b*rt treasure, isn't that Treasure 200? I thought it >was when I buried it, anyway... That's what it looked like to me, and if that's true, I was wondering why I was not on the list? When did I say H*b*rt? I know I've never consciously written it, and I don't recall anyone gloating over catching me :) .... Thomas Jute ------------------------------ From: Mueller Subject: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:20:22 -0500 (EST) I purchase the following Kaas of land: (for a plantation) E6N3 E6N2 E6N1 E6N0 E6S1 E6S2 E4S3 E5S3 E6S3 E6S4 E6S5 E6S6 This costs A$600. Also (just in case) I give Pol Pot A$2. This causes (See R847) a Really Bad Earthquake because there "are fewer then 4 contiguous unowned Kaas of land in the City." Thomas Jute (God of Plate Tectonics) ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Count Tabula Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:25:25 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, JT wrote: >I hereby start the nomination for the office of Count Tabula. > >Please reply to nominate yourself for this office. It has now been 3 days since this nomination started, and the nomination period is over. The following people nominated for the position of Count Tabula. Thomas Jute Pol Pot R-Attila The Farce Gromit Thank you to all of the nominees. I appoint Thomas Jute to the post of Count Tabula. May he serve long and well. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Forwarded mail.... Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:36:09 -0500 (EST) This was sent to ackanomic@muppetlabs.com. Since IB unsubscribed to it earlier today, it was not a public forum. I believe that my forwarding the message on should suffice to make it official. However, Pol Pot, if you could ask AJ to resend it to the correct list, I'd be appreciative, just so there isn't any problem. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: The Drummond-Cole Family Reply-To: ackanomic@muppetlabs.com To: ackanomic@eidolon.muppetlabs.com I leave Acka. I quit under the fact that I just don't have the time. I did not realize how time consuming a nomic was until school started. It's been fun but all good things must come to an end. -AJ ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Icy player Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:46:50 -0500 (EST) J. M. Bear went On-Ice on November 19, 1998 at 11:35 Acka My apologies for taking so long to notice (it's been a while since I've walked through the player file) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: Potato (JT) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:19:36 -0500 (EST) JT has found the Potato. Calvin N Hobbes has found the Tuba. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 698 (IdiotBoy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:15:39 -0500 (EST) IdiotBoy has been selected. Call for Judgement 698 - November 18, 1998 Subject: Museum Win The First Initiator: Thomas Jute (sent Nov 18 1998, 01:35 Acka) 1st Judge: K 2 (chosen Nov 19, 1998, 05:21 Acka) (left) 2nd Judge: IdiotBoy Judgement: Statement: Thomas Jute has achieved a win condition during the cuurent cycle of Ackanomic. Reasoning: I donated r-attila the farce is happy to the museum. Therefore my benefactor value is greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a win condition. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 703 (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:19:52 -0500 (EST) r-attila the farce has been selected. Call for Judgement 703 - November 21, 1998 Subject: Missed Cycle Win CWCFJ Initiator: Alfvaen (sent Nov 21 1998, 00:44 Acka) Judge: r-attila the farce Judgement: Statement: Alfvaen has gained a winning condition during the game of Ackanomic. Alfvaen's Reasoning: This is a Cycle-Win CFJ, as stated in Rule 599. Sometime before the recent destruction of Cheeses when /dev/joe achieved a Winning Condition due to Rule 611, I had five cheeses, although I did not realize that I had the Cheddar until afterward. Having held, possibly among others, the offices of Trinket-Harfer, Web-Harfer, Archaeologist, Financier, Registrar, Speaker, Undead-Harfer, Swinger for Metamorph, Praetor, Illuminatus, Deejay, and Justice after the passage of Proposal 2716, I had an Edam. Having won games of Fictionary, Ghost, and Viruses since the passage of the same Proposal, I had a Gouda. Having been granted a Brie due to not having had a CFCJ judged TRUE against me(the original means of getting one), and not having lost it since either by CFCJ or by Duel, I had a Brie. Having had Proposals 2774, 2776, 2787, 2797, 2798, 2807, 2808, 2842, 2845, and 2865(and, for that matter, 19 more)accepted with no intervening rejections, or even retractions, I had a Stilton. Having had Harfy Proposals 2915, 3347, and 3484 accepted, I had a Cheddar. (Had I but known...) These facts are all fairly easy to verify, so I don't anticipate any trouble here. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 700 (TRUE) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:19:57 -0500 (EST) r-attila the farce has judged this TRUE. Call for Judgement 700 - November 18, 1998 Subject: Museum Win the Third CFJ Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 18 1998, 01:46 Acka) Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 19 1998, 05:21 Acka) Judgement: TRUE Statement: Pol Pot has achieved a win condition during the cuurent cycle of Ackanomic. Reasoning: I donated Doubting Thomas Jute to the museum. Therefore my benefactor value was greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a win condition. Judge's Reasoning: Its a clean cut yes pol pot obviously donated the named trinket as per the current ruleset. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 705 (Thomas Jute) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:20:02 -0500 (EST) Thomas Jute has been selected. Call for Judgement 705 - November 21, 1998 Subject: JAM Join Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 21 1998, 19:00 Acka) Judge: Thomas Jute Judgement: Statement: Thomas Jute is a member of the Justified Ancients of Mummu Reasoning: I tried to let em in as founder... did it work? YOU decide ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 706 (Thomas Jute) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:27:57 -0500 (EST) Thomas Jute has been selected. Call for Judgement 706 - November 23, 1998 Subject: Church Policy PWCFJ Take 2 Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 23 1998, 05:31 Acka) Judge: Thomas Jute Judgement: Statement: The legality of Pol Pot's donation of Alice in Wonderland to They Might Be About to Win a Cycle cannot be determined with finality. Reasoning: this is a paradox win CFJ Rule 1301 says: c. A Player who disobeys the Church Policy of a Church of which he or she is a member is guilty of Iconoclasm, which is a Crime. It is impermissible for a Player to take a game action which constitutes Iconoclasm if he or she has any legal alternative which would not constitute Iconoclasm. [That is, Iconoclasm normally doesn't happen unless there is no alternative. It is possible for a player to commit Iconoclasm by inaction, though.] Because the Church Policy is continually flipping back and forth between requiring and not allowing its members to donate such trinkets to the Church, it is impossible to determine with finality which state the game was in when I attempted to donate the trinket. ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 698 (IdiotBoy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:01:14 -0500 (EST) I had the cereal with a full days supply of irony today! IB On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote: > IdiotBoy has been selected. > > Call for Judgement 698 - November 18, 1998 > Subject: Museum Win The First > Initiator: Thomas Jute (sent Nov 18 1998, 01:35 Acka) > 1st Judge: K 2 (chosen Nov 19, 1998, 05:21 Acka) (left) > 2nd Judge: IdiotBoy > Judgement: > > Statement: > Thomas Jute has achieved a win condition during the cuurent cycle of > Ackanomic. > > Reasoning: > I donated r-attila the farce is happy to the museum. Therefore > my benefactor value is greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a > win condition. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:26:05 -0500 (EST) Thomas Jute wrote: >Alfvaen wrote: >> >>> I preperation for the Treasure Harfer hand-over I updated the the T189 >>> page. The following players are still eligible: >> >>> AJ [gl25@sonic.net] >>> Blarney [jbabrams@hotmail.com] >>> Danek [nogad93@blarg.net] >>> Euphrates [j.mcgregor@sms.ed.ac.uk] >>> r-attila the farce [c_l_o_n_e@hotmail.com] >>> sIRE [head@logan18.freeserve.co.uk] >>> Robin Hood [head@logan18.freeserve.co.uk] >>> scout [scout@brain.mics.net] >> >>If you mean the H*b*rt treasure, isn't that Treasure 200? I thought it >>was when I buried it, anyway... > >That's what it looked like to me, and if that's true, I was wondering why I >was not on the list? When did I say H*b*rt? > >I know I've never consciously written it, and I don't recall anyone >gloating over catching me :) .... Same goes for me. ThinMan ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Acka: Wandering. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:36:04 -0500 (EST) I go to the Museum. I try to make it look like I am just on a sightseeing adventure. IB ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:07:47 -0500 (EST) At 08:26 AM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> I preperation for the Treasure Harfer hand-over I updated the the T189 >>>> page. The following players are still eligible: >>> >>>If you mean the Hubert treasure, isn't that Treasure 200? I thought it >>>was when I buried it, anyway... >> >>That's what it looked like to me, and if that's true, I was wondering why I >>was not on the list? When did I say Hubert? >> >>I know I've never consciously written it, and I don't recall anyone >>gloating over catching me :) .... > >Same goes for me. > > >ThinMan ThinMan: I suggest looking in the archive v03.n109 in /98apr >Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:46:56 -0400 (EDT) >From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) >Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor Election > >>Hubert voted BAA! and IdiotBoy, Guy Fawkes, ThinMan, Vynd (+EBS) and >>/dev/joe all attempted to vote for /dev/joe. > >How can this august collection of personages all be wrong? Clearly the rules >are incorrect about /dev/joe's elligibility, and if not, they should be! :-) > > >ThinMan (fully aware of EXACTLY when e disqualified emself) -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Religious Caste, Rules-Harfer, Weird ------------------------------ From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 698 (IdiotBoy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:19:21 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote: > I had the cereal with a full days supply of irony today! > > IB No, only 33% of the RDA of Irony I'm afraid. This is the one your argument wouldn't have affected anyway, being the first of the three donations. > > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote: > > > IdiotBoy has been selected. > > > > Call for Judgement 698 - November 18, 1998 > > > > Statement: > > Thomas Jute has achieved a win condition during the cuurent cycle of > > Ackanomic. > > > > Reasoning: > > I donated r-attila the farce is happy to the museum. Therefore > > my benefactor value is greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a > > win condition. > > > > -- Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 698 (IdiotBoy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote: > > > I had the cereal with a full days supply of irony today! > > > > IB > > No, only 33% of the RDA of Irony I'm afraid. > This is the one your argument wouldn't have affected anyway, being the > first of the three donations. I have 3 arguments! IB ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:47:09 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Mueller wrote: > I purchase the following Kaas of land: > > (for a plantation) > E6N3 > E6N2 > E6N1 > E6N0 > E6S1 > E6S2 > E4S3 E5S3 E6S3 > E6S4 > E6S5 > E6S6 > > This costs A$600. > > Also (just in case) I give Pol Pot A$2. > > This causes (See R847) a Really Bad Earthquake because there "are fewer > then 4 contiguous unowned Kaas of land in the City." > I point out that the senate have to ratify this land purchase... -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:12:18 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: [land grab deleted] >> This costs A$600. >> >> Also (just in case) I give Pol Pot A$2. >> >> This causes (See R847) a Really Bad Earthquake because there "are fewer >> then 4 contiguous unowned Kaas of land in the City." >> > > I point out that the senate have to ratify this land purchase... You point out something that is no longer true. The need for senate approval was removed from land purchases a while back (when (I think Vynd) redid the land and gridded the city around the lonely mountain). --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, JT wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > > I point out that the senate have to ratify this land purchase... > You point out something that is no longer true. The need for senate > approval was removed from land purchases a while back (when (I think Vynd) > redid the land and gridded the city around the lonely mountain). Grr. Another of those little irritating changes that've come in over the holidays that I've missed. /That/ one is even useful :-( -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Illuminatus page Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:29:38 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, JT wrote: >Since you're all gonna be that way, I hereby start a call for agenda >submissions. It has been one week (plus a bit) since the call for agenda submission started. This bidding period will last for 7 days from the time of this message. The valid bids are all integer numbers between -279 and 139 inclusive. The following players submitted the following conditions. --------------------------------------- /dev/joe: --------------------------------------- F1: Exactly three players have a score greater than that of the owner of this hat. F2: Exactly five players have a score greater than that of the owner of this hat. F3: Exactly seven players have a score greater than that of the owner of this hat. --------------------------------------- Wild Card: --------------------------------------- F4: The wearer of this hat has been in the same location as the holder of this eggplant for three days whilst all the wearer's hats have been visible. --------------------------------------- K 2: --------------------------------------- F5: The owner of this hat has no intelligence and very little wisdom. --------------------------------------- Pol Pot: --------------------------------------- F6: The wearer of this hat is wearing this hat while the silly phrase is "publically posts 'Hubert'" F7: The combined weight of all agenda hats worn by this player is greater than 2/3 of the magic number --------------------------------------- Thomas Jute: --------------------------------------- F8: The previous owner of this hat has been on network television promoting Ackanomic." F9: This hat's wearer has achieved two museum wins. F10: All hats which were created at the same time as this hat, which makes the wearer look bald, are in The Ackanomic Institute of Genetic Replication, as are at least on of each of their clones. --------------------------------------- Slakko: --------------------------------------- F11: The owner of this Eggplant and the owner of this Hat have each been both a second to Slakko and challenged by Slakko in various Duels. --------------------------------------- Vynd: --------------------------------------- F12: The wearer of this hat has eaten a Cheese in accordance with the rules. F13: The owner of this eggplant is on a moon of Ackanomic. --------------------------------------- else...if: --------------------------------------- F14: The score of the owner of this hat is boring. This must be proven. F15: This agenda hat's condition is more true than any other agenda hat being worn by this hat's wearer (if any). F16: There are more than 1000 heads in the game of Ackanomic. --------------------------------------- --JT, Illuminatus [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:56:00 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, JT wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > > > I point out that the senate have to ratify this land purchase... > > You point out something that is no longer true. The need for senate > > approval was removed from land purchases a while back (when (I think Vynd) > > redid the land and gridded the city around the lonely mountain). > > Grr. Another of those little irritating changes that've come in over the > holidays that I've missed. /That/ one is even useful :-( > Well heck, I only spent the first half of the year RFCing that business. Useful for what, might I ask? The only time it ever seemed to come into play is when people tried to buy large amounts of land for illegally low prices, in the hopes that the Senate would forget to disallow their purchase. If you've got the money, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to buy all the land you want. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu > -- > Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### > http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### > Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### > Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. > Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. > > ------------------------------ From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:01:42 -0500 (EST) K 2 wrote: > I preperation for the Treasure Harfer hand-over I updated the the T189 > page. The following players are still eligible: > > AJ [gl25@sonic.net] > Blarney [jbabrams@hotmail.com] > Danek [nogad93@blarg.net] > Euphrates [j.mcgregor@sms.ed.ac.uk] > r-attila the farce [c_l_o_n_e@hotmail.com] > sIRE [head@logan18.freeserve.co.uk] > Robin Hood [head@logan18.freeserve.co.uk] > scout [scout@brain.mics.net] > > The following four players are tied for T208 > TGR (Hu)(Go)(Ho)(JJ) 4 > Gromit (TGW)(**)(Kox)(TM) 4 > Rufus (Ru)(AtP)(dv)(St) 4 I offer A$15 to any of the players still eligible for the Hubert treasure who reply to this message and quote the entire of my text of this message without editing it. Gromit -- Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:02:00 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: > Well heck, I only spent the first half of the year RFCing that business. > Useful for what, might I ask? The only time it ever seemed to come into > play is when people tried to buy large amounts of land for illegally low > prices, in the hopes that the Senate would forget to disallow their > purchase. If you've got the money, I don't see why you shouldn't be able > to buy all the land you want. I do. Yours, Slakko who is quite happy with the odd RBE every now and then, but wouldn't want to have to do it every week. -- Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:09:16 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: > > > Well heck, I only spent the first half of the year RFCing that business. > > Useful for what, might I ask? The only time it ever seemed to come into > > play is when people tried to buy large amounts of land for illegally low > > prices, in the hopes that the Senate would forget to disallow their > > purchase. If you've got the money, I don't see why you shouldn't be able > > to buy all the land you want. > > I do. Well, um, sorry Slakko. You do realize that its your duty to announce the occurance of that Earthquake. I'm all set to run around like a chicken with my head cut off. > > Yours, > Slakko > > who is quite happy with the odd RBE every now and then, but wouldn't want > to have to do it every week. > It seems unlikely to me that this would happen. Most players don't have $A600 lying around to cause it. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu > -- > Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ > Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory > Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court > > ------------------------------ From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) > Yours, > Slakko > > who is quite happy with the odd RBE every now and then, but wouldn't want > to have to do it every week. To trigger a really big earthhquake every week though would be very expensive and quite possibly Annoying as well. I very much doubt this will be a major problem. Gromit. -- Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:39 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: > Well, um, sorry Slakko. You do realize that its your duty to announce the > occurance of that Earthquake. I'm all set to run around like a chicken > with my head cut off. Wait, aren't you already doing that? > > It seems unlikely to me that this would happen. Most players don't have > $A600 lying around to cause it. > True. is land taxable? IB ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3742 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:02:59 -0500 (EST) #retract 3742 #end -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Religious Caste, Rules-Harfer, Weird ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 700 (TRUE) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:51:05 -0500 (EST) In case JT was holding off announcing an eminent cycle end on the premise that I will be appealing this ruling. I will not be appealing this. IB On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote: > r-attila the farce has judged this TRUE. > > Call for Judgement 700 - November 18, 1998 > Subject: Museum Win the Third CFJ > Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 18 1998, 01:46 Acka) > Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 19 1998, 05:21 Acka) > Judgement: TRUE > > Statement: > Pol Pot has achieved a win condition during the > cuurent cycle of Ackanomic. > > Reasoning: I donated Doubting Thomas Jute to the museum. Therefore my > benefactor value was greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a > win condition. > > Judge's Reasoning: > > Its a clean cut yes pol pot obviously donated the named trinket as per > the current ruleset. > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 702 (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:04:15 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, John Bollinger wrote: > Bronze Torch reasoning for CFJ 702: > > Rule 411 establishes an extremely tight connection between the Senators > and the Senate. So tight, in fact, that I don't see how it is possible > for any player to ever be a Senator but not a member of the Senate. Rule > 411 doesn't just say that all Senators are members of the Senate, it says > that the Senate _is_ the collective Senators. This is the same section > that the submitter (and others) have argued puts Senators back in the > Senate. The submitter wrote "If being a Senator was somehow contingent > on being a member of the Senate, I might be inclined to accept [that the > Senators lost their seats when P3724 was accepted]." I claim that there > is more than contingency, here -- there is identity. By rule 411, being > a Senator and being a member of the Senate are the SAME THING. > > > ThinMan I agree with this reasoning entirely (yes, even after I saw ThinMan's name on it:) and my conclusion is that Slakko and Thomas Jute are no longer Senators. Niccolo Flychuck ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 700 (TRUE) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote: >In case JT was holding off announcing an eminent cycle end on the premise >that I will be appealing this ruling. I will not be appealing this. I wasn't. I'd just forgotten to send the mail. Assuming CFJ 700 is not appealed, a cyle will end at Saturday November 28, 1998 at 04:19:57 Acka time and will be won by Pol Pot. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Senate Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:19:09 -0500 (EST) Okay. If it is the case that Thomas Jute (tefka Studge) and Slakko are still senators (less likely) then: /dev/joe got seat Sinecure 33. Vynd got seat /dev/senate3 if it is the case that Thomas Jute and Slakko were removed from their senate seats by the great org breaking of P3724 then: /dev/joe got seat Melvin Vynd got seat Sinecure 33 sIRE got seat /dev/senate3 smallbox blanket got seat Rebus 8-{} --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 702 (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:26:49 -0500 (EST) Niccolo Flychuck wrote: >I agree with this reasoning entirely (yes, even after I saw ThinMan's name >on it:) Somebody catch me; I'm about to keel over from pure shock. :-) ThinMan ------------------------------ From: "Gavin Logan" Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:31:11 -0500 (EST) "the entire of my text of this message" Where's my A$15? sIRE ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:59:56 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Gavin Logan wrote: > "the entire of my text of this message" > > It's true! I -am- back in the third grade. IB ------------------------------ From: "Gavin Logan" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3781 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) >Proposal 3781 >**** >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:48:00 1998 > >This is a Modest Proposal > >Repeal Rule 432 (Son I am able though you scare me / Watch beloved / >Watch me scare you though / Able am I son) >{{ The Office of Scaremonger is Destroyed}} > >Append the following text to Rule 424 (Poet Laureate) as a separate >paragraph: >" >The Poet Laureate may be refered to as the Scaremonger. >" > K 2 must be suffering from mild delirium if he believes that this kind of proposal is funny. Repeal the scaremonger? What kind of idea is that anyhow? Hmmm? I suppose you'll be repealing the voting rules next? Or perhaps you'd like to destroy the entire CFJ process? Would that sate your desire to decimate the rule set? I thought not. Just recently people were trying to get me to home-brew some panic and fear over a pathetic excuse for a game takeover attempt but I think I know who the *real* villains in this game are ... yes, that's right, these vile troll-like creatures who would take power away from the humble scaremonger. Who, I might add, isn't even paid for his services!! I provide the whole foundation of common sense upon which Acka rests and what do I get in thanks????!!!?!?!?!???!!?? Threats of repeal???""?"?%^£$&%£???? I wipe my nose at your proposal. sIRE ------------------------------ From: "Gavin Logan" Subject: Re: Acka: A land grab. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:24:56 -0500 (EST) >Well, um, sorry Slakko. You do realize that its your duty to announce the >occurance of that Earthquake. I'm all set to run around like a chicken >with my head cut off. Earthquake? The Game Is Crashing!!! sIRE ------------------------------ From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: T189 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:15:51 -0500 (EST) Gavin Logan wrote: > "the entire of my text of this message" > > Where's my A$15? > > sIRE It's waiting for you when you do what I meant. :-) Gromit. -- Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ From: Matt Miller Subject: Acka: Revelations! (Financier) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:16:31 -0500 (EST) It seems that our old friend /dev/joe was the only to seek to gain a more full understanding of the Truth of the Machine That Goes Ping. He is charged A$15 for the priviledge of naming the Magic Letter 's'. So shall it be recorded, so shall it be done! The newly unobfuscated Truth reads: IF AND ONLY IF ***** *** *** **** ** *** **** *s ********** ** s*****, THEN the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go *ping*. IB impresario ------------------------------ From: John Frederic Mc Coy Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 702 (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:24:32 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Uri Bruck wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, John Bollinger wrote: > > > Bronze Torch reasoning for CFJ 702: > > > > Rule 411 establishes an extremely tight connection between the Senators > > and the Senate. So tight, in fact, that I don't see how it is possible > > for any player to ever be a Senator but not a member of the Senate. Rule > > 411 doesn't just say that all Senators are members of the Senate, it says > > that the Senate _is_ the collective Senators. This is the same section > > that the submitter (and others) have argued puts Senators back in the > > Senate. The submitter wrote "If being a Senator was somehow contingent > > on being a member of the Senate, I might be inclined to accept [that the > > Senators lost their seats when P3724 was accepted]." I claim that there > > is more than contingency, here -- there is identity. By rule 411, being > > a Senator and being a member of the Senate are the SAME THING. > > > > > > ThinMan > > > I agree with this reasoning entirely (yes, even after I saw ThinMan's name > on it:) > and my conclusion is that Slakko and Thomas Jute are no longer Senators. > > Niccolo Flychuck > > Obviously, I think that we are stretching Proposal 3724's removing people from organizations clause too far if we claim that it could remove people from offices. The proposal in question did not at any point mention offices. While I agree entirely with ThinMan that there was no way to effectively remove the Senators from the Senate without removing them from their offices, I don't think that this means that, by extension, Proposal 3724 removed them from the office of Senator. Custom is pretty strongly in favor of reading rules, and proposals, literally. They do what they say, no more, no less. Sometimes, this means that proposals say that they do things, but fail to accomplish them. In my CFJ reasoning, I presented a case for Proposal 3724 succeeding in removing the Senators for the Senate, but then having the Senate rule bounce them right back into the Senate again. Perhaps, as ThinMan and Niccolo argue, I was wrong about this. But what about the possibility that the possibility that Proposal 3724 tried to remove them from the Senate, and outright failed? I admit I was lax in not discussing this subject before, but it I can't fail to bring it up in the face of ThinMan's argument. He claims that since there was no way for Proposal 3724 to remove the Senators from the Senate without removing them from their offices, then they must have been removed from their offices. I see no reason to favor this interpretation over one in which Proposal 3724 tried and failed to remove the Senators from the Senate, because it did not remove them from their offices. So far as I can understand it (please forgive me any misrepresentations, I can't find a copy of ThinMan's Bronze Torch reasoning at present... where are those new mail archives?) ThinMan's case is basicaly one of implication. The fact that Proposal 3724 attempts to remove the Senators from the Senate implies that it is also removing them from their offices, for if it does not, then it cannot remove them from the Senate. My response is that if Proposal 3724 did not explicitly state it was removing the Senators from their office, then it did not do so. If this means that Proposal 3724 could not remove them from the Senate, either, then I would argue that any attempt to do so failed. Vynd jmccoy@umich.edu ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 702 (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:33:25 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: >So far as I can understand it (please forgive me any misrepresentations, I >can't find a copy of ThinMan's Bronze Torch reasoning at present... where >are those new mail archives?) ThinMan's case is basicaly one of Amusingly enough, you quoted the BT reasoning (or at least part of it) above. The archives are at ftp://ftp.ackanomic.org/pub/ackanomic/digests/ I will be merging the old list archives with the new ones so that they are all in one place. I apologize for not having done this already. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Acka: Trinket Creation and Treasure Hearing Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:35:34 -0500 (EST) I create a trinket called "Mr. Treen" with the description "It is treen and it is not treen" I call a hostile takeover on else...if's most recent treasure. I am hearing harfer and Gold Digger. the valid responses are "Right up there with the Jukkasjarvi Treasure" and "the accumulation of money is a great evil and a burden to the soul." In the event that the verdict of the Hostile Takeover is "Right up there with the Jukkasjarvi Treasure", the Gold Digger shall transfer The Standard Harfer Fee to the map writer. In the event that the verdict is "the accumulation of money is a great evil and a burden to the soul" [Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad], then all entities in The Motherload, which the museum would accept if donated normally, are transferred to the North Wing of the Museum with the map writer as beneficiary. Any entities in the Motherload which were not transferred to the Museum's North wing by the previous sentence are transferred to the Treasury. Additionally the map writer shall pay The Standard Harfer Fee to the Gold Digger. -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Religious Caste, Rules-Harfer, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation and Treasure Hearing Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:54:06 -0500 (EST) >I create a trinket called "Mr. Treen" with the description "It is treen and >it is not treen" OOPS... I create a trinket called "Mr. Treen" with the description "It is treen and it is not treen" worth A$2 -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Religious Caste, Rules-Harfer, Weird ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Acka: End of Cycle 27 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:08:42 -0500 (EST) At 18:22:31 Acka time this afternoon, Cycle 27 ended. At this time, the following things happened in order. a) Ackanomic play is suspended b) All Chartreuse Goose Eggs, Right-Handed Grapefruit and Agenda Hats that are not being worn are destroyed. All Nemesis Eggplants with the same condition as an Agenda Hat that was destroyed in this manner are destroyed. I will let the Acting Financier K 2 handle the Goose Eggs and Grapefruit. Hat E16 (owned by the Mad Hatters) is destroyed. Eggplant E16 (owned by Pol Pot) is destroyed. c) The winner is given the title of winner of the cycle, and a Right-Handed Grapefruit and a Champion's Cloak are created in that player's possession. If this results in his having two Champion's Cloaks, one of them is instantly transformed into a Badge of Glory. JT is given the title of winner of the cycle and a RHG. He is given a Champion's Cloak. His most recent Champion's Cloak is transformed into a Badge of Glory. d) All players who have zero or fewer points are given a Chartreuse Goose Egg. I will let the Acting Scorekeeper K 2 provide this information. e) If the amount of A$s in circulation plus the value of all extant Trinkets exceeded the amount in the Treasury at the time this winner was declared, the following shall occur: i) Excluding the winner, all entities with a Total Wealth greater than zero shall transfer 10% of eir Total Wealth to the Treasury. ii) All entities with a Total Wealth greater than zero, shall be placed on The List in decreasing order of Total Wealth. iii) The entity appearing highest on The List, shall transfer 5% of eir total wealth to the player lowest on The List and both entities shall be removed from The List. iv) If there are at least two entities and at least one player are still on The List step iii is repeated. I will let the Acting Financier K 2 accomplish this task and report the results. Should there be a need to break ties to place people on the list (people have the same total wealth or whatever) I will be more than happy to generate some random numbers as needed. f) Each Player is awarded A$ equal to his point total. The Acting Scorekeeper K 2 should post the final scores shortly :) g) Each player's score is set to zero. Need I keep saying how easy this is :) h) If the cycle currently ending has exceeded 30 days in length, all players who have been vacationing for the entire cycle are removed from the game as if they have quit. The cycle was less than 30 days in length. i) If the cycle was won by points (i.e. the Winning Condition was due to Rule 603), then amend Rule 603 to change the base value of the Magic Number to the smallest prime number greater than (the current Magic Number*1.2). If the last two cycles were not won by points, then amend Rule 603 to change the base value of the Magic Number to the smallest prime number greater than (the current Magic Number*0.9). Neither of the previous two cycles were won by points. The base value of the Magic Number is set to 379. j) The game cycle number is incremented, and the Magic Number is reset to its base value. Welcome to cycle 28. The Magic Number is reset to 379. k) All players who are in Gaol are released from Gaol. All players who are in the Ackanomic Afterlife are relocated to their homes. I don't believe anyone was in either place. l) If the game state is such that the single winner of the last cycle would immediately win again upon the resumption of Ackanomic play, the Chartreuse Goose is transferred to that player. This is not the case. m) All events specified by other rules to occur at the end of the cycle occur, in the numeric order of the rule that defines the event. By rule 540, JT gains 1 point of 'Order'. By rule 550.1, JT gains 2 honour. n) Ackanomic play resumes. The Fat Lady has begun singing and will continue to sing until 1 day from the time of this message. --JT, Speaker [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 702 (r-attila the farce) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:17:18 -0500 (EST) I wrote: > Bronze Torch reasoning for CFJ 702: > > Rule 411 establishes an extremely tight connection between the Senators > and the Senate. So tight, in fact, that I don't see how it is possible > for any player to ever be a Senator but not a member of the Senate. Rule > 411 doesn't just say that all Senators are members of the Senate, it says > that the Senate _is_ the collective Senators. This is the same section > that the submitter (and others) have argued puts Senators back in the > Senate. The submitter wrote "If being a Senator was somehow contingent > on being a member of the Senate, I might be inclined to accept [that the > Senators lost their seats when P3724 was accepted]." I claim that there > is more than contingency, here -- there is identity. By rule 411, being > a Senator and being a member of the Senate are the SAME THING. > > ThinMan Vynd wrote: >Obviously, I think that we are stretching Proposal 3724's removing people >from organizations clause too far if we claim that it could remove people >from offices. The proposal in question did not at any point mention >offices. While I agree entirely with ThinMan that there was no way to >effectively remove the Senators from the Senate without removing them from >their offices, I don't think that this means that, by extension, Proposal >3724 removed them from the office of Senator. The Senate is a very special organization, in that, by my reading of rule 411, it is also an office (the office of Senator, to be precise). This dualism has the advantage of allowing the Senators to function collectively according to the rules for Organizations without any excess rule text, but has the disadvantage of making the Senators potentially vulnerable to rules and proposals which affect organizations. >Custom is pretty strongly in favor of reading rules, and proposals, >literally. They do what they say, no more, no less. Sometimes, this means >that proposals say that they do things, but fail to accomplish them. In my >CFJ reasoning, I presented a case for Proposal 3724 succeeding in removing >the Senators for the Senate, but then having the Senate rule bounce them >right back into the Senate again. Perhaps, as ThinMan and Niccolo argue, I >was wrong about this. But what about the possibility that the possibility >that Proposal 3724 tried to remove them from the Senate, and outright >failed? I admit I was lax in not discussing this subject before, but it >I can't fail to bring it up in the face of ThinMan's argument. He claims >that since there was no way for Proposal 3724 to remove the Senators from >the Senate without removing them from their offices, then they must have >been removed from their offices. I see no reason to favor this >interpretation over one in which Proposal 3724 tried and failed to remove >the Senators from the Senate, because it did not remove them from their >offices. It is possible that P3724 failed to affect the Senate at all, but I am not convinced by the above argument for that position. My argument is more precisely that removing Senators from the organization "The Senate" is the same thing as removing them from the office of Senator. Not two seperate, connected events, but rather one event. "Vynd is removed from the Senate" is wholly equivalent to "Vynd is removed from the office of Senator." This being the case (I claim), the organizational purge caused by P3724 did indeed call for the ouster of all the then-sitting Senators. [Additional comments excised.] ThinMan ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: Away for a time Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:32:49 -0500 (EST) I'll be away until Sunday. I'm not going on vacation though, since it doesn't seem neccessary -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V3 #424 *******************************