From: owner-ackanomic@wilma.che.utexas.edu (Ackanomic Digest) To: ackanomic-digest Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #224 Reply-To: ackanomic@wilma.che.utexas.edu Sender: owner-ackanomic@wilma.che.utexas.edu Errors-To: owner-ackanomic@wilma.che.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Ackanomic Digest Thursday, July 31 1997 Volume 02 : Number 224 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:35:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 437 Verdict - Appeal On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote: > > Game Custom is established by the CFJ statement (provided it is judged > > true), not by reasoning. > > *Explicit* game custom is established by the statement of a CFJ. It > is *implicit* game custom that self-similarity of organizations is ??? > undefined. I cannot see what I am doing here that is offensive. You How about representing my posts as offensive instead of replying to the point? > also dodged this question which was clearly stated in my last post: > > > Are you saying that TMBSG's similarity with itself is undefined, yet > > all all other organization's self-similarity is defined? > I'm not saying anything. The CFJ did. Niccolo Flychuck > Malenkai > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:43:59 +0300 (EET DST) From: Uri Bruck Subject: acka : IP vote I am voting for the IPs against ThinMan and Vynd. I would also like to take this opportunity to praise Rober Sevin's actions. Robert Sevin, who is incidentally a Priest of the Church of Odo on the Wormhole, has shown reposnsibility and dedication to eir public Office. Niccolo Flychuck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:44:39 +0300 (EET DST) From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: Fair's fair (IP vote) I am voting against this IP. Niccolo Flychuck On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Bollinger, John C. wrote: > I am calling an IP against Senator Robert Sevin. > > ThinMan > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:57:04 +0300 (EET DST) From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: PCI The only other reasonable I see is ammending it so the Ambassador tracks it. Actually, that would make a lot of sense. Niccolo Flychuck On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote: > It appears to be the Speaker's duty to track the membership of > the PCI (oh joy ;-)). Please let me know if the current membership > is other than: > > Mr. Lunatic Fringe > Niccolo Flychuck > Voting Gnome > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:22:11 -0800 From: Phil Ackley Subject: Acka: Public Apology "A public apology upon the occasion of committing the crime of malpractice, in ninety-two or more lines (abriged edition) "Ahem. "When a player commits a grevious crime such as the one I have obviously committed, and is as remourseful about the act as I obviously am, it is time for that player to sit back and ask himself 'What would I do if I was me?' "The answer to that question is blazingly obvious. I'd write a 92,000 line public apology to all of ackanomic begging their forgiveness. I went so far as to suggest this option to the courst, but sadly, the notion was rejected. "So instead, I will tell you a little story, one that relates to the quandry in which I find myself. "It's a story about a little lamb. "This little lamb was named Hughie, and he was a fine source of wool sweaters. Some said his wool produced the finest sweaters on the bottom side of the earth. Now, I am not one to argue with that claim --I mean, what do I know about wool?-- but I thought I saw a finer wool once in St. Andrews. "You see, thats the rub. If I saw a wool in St. Andrews that was finer, the I was on the top side of the earth, and how did I get there? Was I on a journey of some sort? Astral projection? Was I communicating in ways that not even the inventor could begin to comprehend? "That's the thing, really. If I was in St. Andrews, its no wonder I could not figure out how Vynd had actually voted. Heck, those devices that the inventor can't understand are pretty darn complex, and something might get lost in the translation. "But what if I wasn't in St. Andrews? What was my excuse then, and am I still remourseful? Umm, and yes (in that order). As for the former, I think perhaps a poem could shed some light on the whole situation. "Ahem. " Great boulders of festering malfeasence logs, mossy in their tumble I look into the eyes of the senate and see nothing " Perhaps there is a vote slinking there tumbling, cast into the void /dev/joe and Vynd stare at me and see nothing " Ambiguous vats of green slime regulated, now, or later? I look for friends in the slime yet see nothing. "That, I hope clears up the matter once and for all. If you are still reading now, I congratulate you. If you are still counting lines, I will help you. This is #61. 31 more lines to go. "Perhaps my sorrow doesn't seem authentic enough, heartfelt enough, real enough for some of you. Perhaps for others, there just isn't enough of it (quantity v quality is always the issue, no?) Perhaps I need to expand on jus how regretful I am? "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I won't do it again. I'm sorry, really, I mean it. I'm sorry, so sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm so sorry I could eat a horse. Sorry enough for the bunch of us, sorrier, perhaps, then a man has ever been before. "If there was an upper limit on sorryness, I would exceed. If there was a lower limit, I would be so far away from it that I couldn't see it even if I wasn't myopic. I am sorry, and sorry is me. Sorry, in fact is my middle name. Mr. Lunatic Sorry Fringe, or perhaps Phillip Sorry Ackley. Perhaps I'm just sorry. "Some of you might be wondering, now what line we are on, and before you interupt your reading to start counting let me tell you that you are currently reading line #82. "Ten lines left, and I'm still sorry. Sorry I'm boring you, sorry I commited malpractice. Sorry I didn't get a 92,000 line penance. I'm regretful, sad, and morose. I can't believe what I did. I can't believe how sorry I am. I can't believe that after reading my lamb story, and my poem, both of which were horrible, you are still reading, and I am sorry that you are. It's sad that my drivel keeps you entertained. "This is line 91. "You can stop reading now, this is line ninety two, the line in which I finally come forth and say 'Heck, man, I'm sory. It won't happen again, I promise.' Or maybe it's not.l I think line ninety two was the line in which I said 'You can stop reading now, this is line ninety two, the line in which I' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: mr cwm Subject: Re: acka : IP vote Having completely lost track of the various IP's, but worried that if I wait to figure it out, I'll have waited too long, I take my cue from the founder of my Church, and vote for any and all IP's against ThinMan and Vynd, and against any and all IP's against Robert Sevin, too. - -mr cwm On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Niccolo Flychuck wrote: > >I am voting for the IPs against ThinMan and Vynd. > > >I would also like to take this opportunity to praise Rober Sevin's >actions. Robert Sevin, who is incidentally a Priest of the Church of Odo >on the Wormhole, has shown reposnsibility and dedication to eir public >Office. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) From: mr cwm Subject: Re: Acka: is (thank you) Oops. That's what I get for working from memory. Sorry. Publishing seems to have gotten in my blood. I hereby start up a new newspaper, is not, entirely dedicated to publishing untruths. Mr. Lunatic Fringe has explicit permission to publish in is not. - -mr cwm #award mr cwm -20 A$ : newspaper start-up fee #award mr cwm +1 newspaper : is not On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote: >mr cwm wrote, under the appearance of publishing in his newspaper: > >> is would like to devote this entire end-of-the-month issue to thanking >> those who voted to restore its belly to its proper place. Thanks. (You >> know who you are.) (And doesn't this BWG make it all worthwhile?) > >P2242 was rejected, due to one additional NO vote by proxy (ThinMan's >proxy to me) than was first reported. No newspapers were reinstated. > >/dev/joe > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: mr cwm Subject: Acka: is not is not mr cwm, persistant publisher This is not the premier issue of is not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:54:46 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Acka: Interesting Offices Some odd effects seem to have been created by the IP's, together with the Senate Resolution. For instance, as a result of the IP's levelled against /dev/joe, he became an Acting Senator. However, the temp text of Rule 5001 reappointed him to his Seat, so I believe that he is not an Acting Senator at the moment. All the others are, though. All this is a good reason why you should support the Rebellion! Join us now! And join the Church of Azpiazu, while you're at it! - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex Chipmunks roasting on an open fire... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:39:35 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Acka: The Multiple Impeachments It occurs to me...upon Impeachment, an Officer immediately becomes an Acting Officer. Is it possible to Impeach an Acting Officer? If not, then that might solve the multiple IP problem. (Should it be possible, or necessary, to impeach an Acting Officer? One would almost think that there should be a simpler procedure to do that; however, I didn't see anything in the Rules on my brief skim...) - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex "Joey, do you want to put _Little Women_ in the freezer?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:56:38 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: is not > is not > mr cwm, persistant publisher > > This is not the premier issue of is not. I call for a public retraction of this blatantly false statement. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex "Beware of idolatry, for when it sours, you'll sour with it." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:14:01 +0100 From: "Gavin Doig" Subject: acka: People's council I am joining the People's Council for Internomic. Rex Mundi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:19:12 +0100 From: "Gavin Doig" Subject: acka: IP votes ACCEPT the first IP against /dev/joe ACCEPT the second IP against /dev/joe ACCEPT the IP against ThinMan ACCEPT the IP against VYND REJECT the IP against Robert Sevin Rex Mundi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:23:20 +0100 From: "Gavin Doig" Subject: Re: Acka: Interesting Offices > All this is a good reason why you should support the Rebellion! Join us > now! And join the Church of Azpiazu, while you're at it! > As a member of the Church of Azpiazu, I would be honored to join the rebellion. In honor of this splendid cause, I am wearing my hair in big buns on each side of each of my two heads. Rex Mundi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:24:34 +0100 From: "Gavin Doig" Subject: Re: Acka: Public Apology > "The answer to that question is blazingly obvious. I'd write a 92,000 line > public apology to all of ackanomic begging their forgiveness. I went so > far as to suggest this option to the courst, but sadly, the notion was > rejected. > I thought about it, but I get enough acka mail without a monstrosity like that in my mailbox. Rex Mundi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:27:43 +0100 From: "Gavin Doig" Subject: acka: *ping* Today is Wednesday, the 30th day of July, in the Year of Our Lord 1997, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 1 times. Rex Mundi, Scholar of *ping* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ross Morgan-Linial Subject: Acka: IP votes ACCEPT the first IP against /dev/joe ACCEPT the second IP against /dev/joe ACCEPT the IP against ThinMan ACCEPT the IP against VYND REJECT the IP against Robert Sevin Antimatter Not expecting it to do much good ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:40:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" Subject: Acka: Resignations I am resigning from the offices of: Web-Harfer, Map-Harfer, Undead-Harfer. The next Map-harfer should note that the picture map is not entirely updated; recent changes that need to be updated in the picture are noted in the web page text below it. The picture is large enough that it probably should be split into two separate pictures; it's something like a 600x780 gif now. Please keep the number of colors to a minimum so players with low-bandwidth connections can download the map in a reasonable time. The next web-harfer should, after setting up the new main web page, inform other sites linked to ackanomic about the change. The easiest way to do this is to enter link:http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/ into altavista; there are only a few main links -- one on Peter Suber's page, one in the Nomic FAQ, etc. /dev/joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:08:50 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: IP votes > Antimatter > Not expecting it to do much good It's a symbolic gesture. If we vote to Impeach them, and they vote not to be Impeached, then they definitely give up any semblance of being anything other than a Tyrannical Ruling Elite. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex In the language of violence, death is a silence. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:05:59 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: Interesting Offices > > All this is a good reason why you should support the Rebellion! Join us > > now! And join the Church of Azpiazu, while you're at it! > As a member of the Church of Azpiazu, I would be honored to join the > rebellion. In honor of this splendid cause, I am wearing my hair in big > buns on each side of each of my two heads. Very good! Now all we need is Darth Vader(were he an active player)to join us. (After all, _we're_ fighting against the Senate...) - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex I don't know what kind of medicine is inside this melon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: Resignations > I am resigning from the offices of: Web-Harfer, Map-Harfer, Undead-Harfer. I am volunteering for the office of Undead-Harfer. Since I have also volunteered for Financier(I _think_ Chaos resigned from that), I figure it'd be easiest to do them both together. It might even be easier to merge the two offices, since the same kind of work is mostly required for both. But that's for a later proposal. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex You play glockenspiel, I'll play drums. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 1997 15:05:52 CST/CDT From: Shimmin@hrn.bradley.edu Subject: Acka: Public Apology This is Silver Moon material. GF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:10:56 -0500 From: "Bollinger, John C." Subject: RE: Acka: Interesting Offices Alfvaen wrote: > > > All this is a good reason why you should support the Rebellion! > Join us > > > now! And join the Church of Azpiazu, while you're at it! > > > As a member of the Church of Azpiazu, I would be honored to join the > > rebellion. In honor of this splendid cause, I am wearing my hair in > big > > buns on each side of each of my two heads. > > Very good! Now all we need is Darth Vader(were he an active player)to > join > us. (After all, _we're_ fighting against the Senate...) > Hmmm. You seem to be playing too many sides of that analogy.... ThinMan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:17:47 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: Public Apology > This is Silver Moon material. Yes, but so is the description of how to remove Beldin's Pants, not to mention the Blueprint for the BWG Laser. IMHO, at least. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Song In My Head--The Band:The Weight Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Starplex Arguments with furniture are rarely productive. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:22:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Orendorff Subject: Acka: Leaving I am now dead certain I will be leaving the game soon. I don't know how to explain this but I've had a few very bad days since I last logged in, and I'm so... I dunno, heartbroken, that it's hard for anything to hold my attention. I hereby resign the Presidency. I have too much mail. I don't want to read any of it. In three days, I will leave the game and unsubscribe all the mailing lists. Any time before or thereafter, I'll be happy to mail the bot programming and game state to whoever wants it. If you want me to read something, tag it with CHAOS (all-caps) in the Subject line or send it without "Acka:" and I'll get it. The bot has been down for 48 hours or so because I meant to fix it and never got around to it. I'm really sorry. - -- Chaos not so hot after all :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:15:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Orendorff Subject: Acka: no bot The bot's web page is down because the admin on odin have installed a new version of the python binary without also installing the new version of the python standard libraries. If you need to learn how to use the bot by mail, send #help to my email address. Be sure to include the word Acrobot in the subject line. - -- Chaos #cut grass ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:21:43 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Re: Acka: Public Apology > > This is Silver Moon material. > > Yes, but so is the description of how to remove Beldin's Pants, not to > mention the Blueprint for the BWG Laser. IMHO, at least. Why thanks :) Malenkai who has never been nominated for an SM, *despite* treasure 106 ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:34:47 -0800 From: Phil Ackley Subject: Acka: is not As subeditor of is not, I wish to thank mr cwm for his generosity. It'll be fun getting back into the paper business. Perhaps mr. cwm and I should form an organization dedicated to journalism :) Now, for the second edition of is not is not -- issue two Senate The senate today acted completely responsibly, with the exception of senator Robert Sevin who continued on his path of wanton disregard for the rules and the players of Ackanomic :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:35:06 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: President I hereby announce the nomination for the presidency. E-mail me if you wish to volunteer. Note that the functional officers cannot be appointed until this office is filled, unless someone shows how the Speaker is acting Prez in this situation. I do not believe this is the case. Thus we are without alot of officers or acting officers now: Postmaster, web-harfer, map-harfer, and undead-harfer, and possibly others. Malenkai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:54:12 -0700 From: **Alexandre Muniz Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 117 I am objecting to CSR 117 **two-star The real problem, IMO, is that since the rule change is not retroactive, the membership of PCI will still be filled with players who will have posted an odd number of messages between the passage of p2246 and the acceptance of csr 117. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:57:51 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: Senate Resolution The text following this sentence in this message constitutes a Senate Resolution, with a provisional title of "Concerning the Senate". {{ The last sentence of the second paragraph of rule 411.1 is immediately changed to "Otherwise, the organization Vulcan [a marvelous organization dedicated only to the betterment of all] shall decide whether to accept the senate resolution." The text of the third paragraph of rule 411.1, up to and including the first closing parenthesis, is immediately changed to "If Vulcan decides to accept a particular senate resolution then immediately after that fact is publicly knowable". The first seven words of the fourth paragraph of rule 411.1 are immediately replaced with "If Vulcan does not decide to accept a particular". }} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:57:59 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: Senate Resolution Speech Friends, Ackazens, countrymen, orangutans, breakfast cereals, fruit bats, and limes -- lend me your ears! Today is a momentous day for Ackanomic. I have just introduced a Senate Resolution that will forever strip the Senate of its recently claimed dictatorial powers. It is inconceivable, preposterous, dare I even say absurd, that the Senate should have such unrestricted lattitude in controlling our cherished ruleset. Our hallowed rules. Our sacred principles. Our treasured guidelines. Never before in the history of our electronic nation has so much power been concentrated in the hands of so few. It is necessary -- necessary I say! -- that these elected-for-life, non-accountable, supercilious, elitist riffraff be taught a lesson about who is really in control of Ackanomic. And why, you ask, should our power-hungry Senate approve such a measure? Because they have no choice! Thanks to the watchful care of people like you, each and every Senator is right now under dire threat of impeachment! What could be worse for these self-righteous power magnates than to be stripped of their positions? That's right, nothing! The Senate will toe the line, my friends, mark my words! I encourage ACCEPTance of the senate resolution provisionally entitled "Concerning the Senate". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:58:14 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: Vote on SR: Concerning the Senate Pursuant to rule rule 411 ("Senate"), I vote in favor of the recently introduced SR provisionally entitled "Concerning the Senate". ["When a Senate vote is tied, the ProConsul may cast a tiebreaking vote on the matter in question." This is another Senate voting loophole: the Senate rule does not require the voting period to elapse, or all Senators to have voted, before the ProConsul is permitted to break a tie.] Prior to my vote, the vote is tied 0-0. Malenkai Proconsul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:58:26 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: SR Acceptance Pursuant to rule 1001 ("Institutions") I announce the voting results of the SR: "Concerning the Senate". Said SR is ACCEPTED, 1 vote for. [From section 3: "Results may be announced before the alloted time ends, in which case the voting period is over when those results are announced." Note that the announcer is nowhere required to be a member of the institution.] Malenkai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:58:12 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Acka: Apology I apologize for resubmitting a whole bunch of Proposals over and over again. I kept trying to see if Acrobot was having problems with my new email address, etc. Oh, well, all but the first submissions are invalid, anyway. But I do apologize. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Current Album--Olivia Newton-John:Olivia's Greatest Hits Vol. 2 Current Book--Dick Francis:Risk I think you've hit the nail squarely on the end with the flat thing on it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:09:36 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: Senate Resolution > The text following this sentence in this message constitutes a > Senate Resolution, with a provisional title of "Concerning the Senate". Should any be fooled into thinking that it would be better to have the Vulcan Party than the Senate in sole charge of our destinies, let us not forget that the Vulcan Party is made up of ThinMan, who made the original Senate Resolution proposal, /dev/joe, who made that most fateful Senate Resolution, and Malenkai, whose complicity up until now has been only suspected, but on this evidence(as well as that of the Bonus Vote Scam), we must conclude he is a wilful participant in this outrage as well. The Rebellion is not fooled. What this Resolution will do is remove power from the hands of the good Robert Sevin, the One Good Senator in this conflict, and Vynd, whom we are at least willing to give the benefit of the doubt, and give it to Malenkai as well. And, furthermore, the Vulcan party members can not be impeached from their posts, nor need they admit any member that they do not wish to. This is a dark day indeed for Ackanomic. Do not be fooled by those who tell you otherwise. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Current Album--Olivia Newton-John:Olivia's Greatest Hits Vol. 2 Current Book--Dick Francis:Risk "And Ostos?" "Not nearly as attractive." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:35:37 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: is not > Now, for the second edition of is not > > is not -- issue two > > Senate > > The senate today acted completely responsibly, with the exception of > senator Robert Sevin who continued on his path of wanton disregard for the > rules and the players of Ackanomic :) If this is indeed a valid issue of is not, then I demand that mr cwm post a public retraction of this statement, which is obviously intended to undermine the righteous cause of the Rebellion. However, since I doubt that it is, under Rule 925, a retraction need not necessarily be issued. A member of the Rebellion will be by to put a chalk mark on your door. Have a nice day, and overthrow the Tyrannical Ruling Elite! - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Current Album--Robert Palmer:Ridin' High Current Book--Dick Francis:Risk They're stronger than old cheese, stronger than dirt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:44:57 -0600 (MDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Acka: Permission And Warning I am hereby announcing the admission policy of The Rebellion. Although I shall retain to myself, as Founder and Leader of The Rebellion, the ability to grant membership in the Rebellion, I shall state that it will be open to any player who is not a member of the Tyrannical Ruling Elite. Any member of the Tyrannical Ruling Elite must first leave that body, and submit to some penance I shall describe, before I shall admit them to The Rebellion. As the Founder of the Church of Azpiazu, I warn the Tyrannical Ruling Elite that they do not, yet, know the meaning of chaos. That is the prerogative of our Church. - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Current Album--Robert Palmer:Ridin' High Current Book--Dick Francis:Risk The centaur is a strange creature, torn in a paradox of ways. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:50:51 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: CFJ 443 Verdict CFJ 443 has been judged TRUE. Clerk of the Courts - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Call For Judgment 443 Subject: Trivially True Initiator: Niccolo Flychuck Judge: /dev/joe (selected Jul 29, 1997, 19:02h EDT) Judgement: TRUE Statement: Malenkai is a membr of They Might Be Slumbering Giants. Niccolo Flychuck's Reasoning: This is trivially True. However, previously Malenkai argued that a CFJ that established that a statement was true about They Might Be Slumbering Giants is necessarily True about any Organization. Therefore I argue that a judgement of True on this CFJ means that Malenkai is necessarily a member of all Organizations. /dev/joe's Reasoning: Malenkai requested membership in TMBSG on June 13th, and Calvin N Hobbes, the founding member, supported this request on that day. I believe the request was not official until every member of TMBSG supported it, or after 7 days with no objections, but in any case Malenkai has been a member of TMBSG since June 20th. I disagree with the initiator's reasoning though; in the situation Malenkai was arguing about, the same logic that applies to TMBSG applies to every organization, while in this situation, it is clear that this reasoning does not apply to some organizations, such as RexBank, which Malenkai never requested membership in, nor did the membership of the organization offer it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:55:16 -0400 From: Malenkai Subject: Acka: CFJ 444 (two-star) two-star has been picked. Clerk of the Courts - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Call For Judgment 444 Subject: Voting in Favor Initiator: Vynd Judge: two-star (selected Jul 30, 1997, 22:55h EDT) Judgement: Statement: The Senate did not vote in favor of the Senate resolution provisonaly entitled "Concerning the Senate". Vynd's Reasoning: > Pursuant to rule 1001 ("Institutions") I announce the voting results > of the SR: "Concerning the Senate". Said SR is ACCEPTED, 1 vote for. > > [From section 3: "Results may be announced before the alloted time > ends, in which case the voting period is over when those results are > announced." Note that the announcer is nowhere required to be a > member of the institution.] > > Malenkai I'd quote the other messages he sent, but I'm not up to the cutting and pasting. Essentially, Malenkai exercised his privilige as Speaker to submit a senate resolution, voted on it as proconsul (since the Senate was in a 0-0 tie) and then announced the vote as above. This is mostly correct, everything except the accepted part. The Pro-Consul can vote whenever there is a tie, not jsut when all Senators ahve voted and there is a tie. It is correct that anyone is allowed to announce the results of the vote, and thereby end the voting period, even if the vote has not been truly completed. However... Rule 1001 section 2a says: "...An Institution votes "in favor" of something or "in support of an action" when a simple majority of it's members vote "in favor" or "in support." Rule 411.1 3rd paragraph says: "If the Senate votes in favor of accepting a resolution then immediately after the results of the vote are publicly announced..." yadda yadda yadda. 1 of 5 does not constitue a majority. Thus the Senate did not vote in favor of the resolution, and since it's voting period ended without the Senate voting in favor, it didn't pass. ------------------------------ End of Ackanomic Digest V2 #224 *******************************