acka-voting Digest Sunday, November 29 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 210 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3786 accepted Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:33:14 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3786 Votes: 18/24 (15 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 15/17: proposal accepted Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) Euphrates Slakko (SPAM) K 2 smallpox blanket (Klingon) else...if Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) Vynd ThinMan sIRE MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Wild Card No: /dev/joe (Vulcan) JT Baa: Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3786 > >Proposal 3786 >Anti-Voting Rules >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:48:52 1998 > >This is a Modest Proposal. > >Create a rule as a member of Governments Rule Suite (rule 320) with the >title "Government Type: AntiVoting" with the text: >" >I. Government Definition. >While the AntiVoting government type is active, scoring for anti-voting >shall be active. Additionally players shall not receive points for >simply voting. > >Anti-Voting is defined as voting NO on an accepted proposal or voting >YES on a rejected proposal (determined at the end of the prescribed >voting period). > >II. Scoring for anti-voting. >Players who anti-vote on a proposal shall gain: >i) one point if it was Modest. >ii) three points if it was Non-Modest. >iii) five points if it was Grandiose. >" ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3787 accepted Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:33:25 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3787 Votes: 18/24 (12 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 15/20: proposal accepted Tammany Bribes: Pol Pot A$37 yes Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) Euphrates Slakko (SPAM) K 2 Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) smallpox blanket (Klingon) else...if **** Bonus Vote (smallpox blanket) **** Tammany MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Wild Card **** Bonus Vote (Pol Pot) **** No: /dev/joe (Vulcan) JT Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) ThinMan sIRE Baa: Vynd Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3787 > >Proposal 3787 >Inflation >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:49:03 1998 > >Create a rule as a member of Governments Rule Suite (rule 320) with the >title "Government Type: Inflationary" with the text: >" >At the time this government type becomes active and every week >thereafter the following shall occour: >i) The Standard Harfer Fee shall be set to a random number between 5 and >50. >ii) The price of an unowned Kaa of land shall be changed to a random >number between 25 and 75. >iii) The price a player may sell land to the treasury for shall be >changed to a random number between 5 and 50. >iv) The amount which N is multiplied by in Rule 855 (Monolith) is set to >a random number between 25 and 75. > >The values generated in the pervious section superceed the relevent >values specified elsewhere in the rules. > >A player may not buy or sell more than 5 Kaa of land during any 7 day >period. >" ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3788 rejected Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:33:36 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3788 Votes: 18/24 (9 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 9/16: proposal rejected Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) Euphrates K 2 Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) else...if Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Wild Card No: Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Slakko (SPAM) /dev/joe (Vulcan) smallpox blanket (Klingon) JT Vynd ThinMan Baa: Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) sIRE Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3788 > >Proposal 3788 >An important date. >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:49:13 1998 > >This is a Modest Proposal >Amend Rule 975 (Yes Virginia) by replacing the phrase "August 28th" with >"April 4th and August 28th" whereever it apears. > ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3789 rejected Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:33:47 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3789 Votes: 18/24 (9 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 9/16: proposal rejected Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Euphrates Slakko (SPAM) K 2 Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) else...if MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Wild Card No: Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) /dev/joe (Vulcan) smallpox blanket (Klingon) JT Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) Vynd ThinMan Baa: Alfvaen (MetaMorph) sIRE Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3789 > >Proposal 3789 >Generic Proposal Title #3789 >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:49:24 1998 > >This is a Modest Proposal. > >Add the following text as a new section immediatly after the final >numbered section [VI] in Rule 975 (Yes Virginia) and number is >appropriatly: >" >If both players invovled in a duel are in the free market, when the duel >is resolved, the thrall attribute of the loser is set to the name of the >winner. >" ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3790 accepted Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:33:58 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3790 Votes: 18/24 (14 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 14/18: proposal accepted Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) K 2 /dev/joe (Vulcan) Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) else...if JT Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) Vynd sIRE MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Wild Card No: Euphrates Slakko (SPAM) smallpox blanket (Klingon) ThinMan Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3790 > >Proposal 3790 >Generic Proposal Title #3790 >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:49:34 1998 > >This is a Modest Proposal. > >Add the following text as a new section immediatly after the final >numbered section [VI] in Rule 975 (Yes Virginia) and number is >appropriatly: >" >If a player is on a Moon eir Air Skill is increased by 5. If the Moon is >full, however, all of eir elemental skills are incresed by 5. >" ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3791 accepted Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3791 Votes: 18/24 (12 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 12/18: proposal accepted Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) Euphrates Slakko (SPAM) K 2 Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) else...if Vynd ThinMan sIRE Wild Card No: Alfvaen (MetaMorph) /dev/joe (Vulcan) smallpox blanket (Klingon) JT Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3791 > >Proposal 3791 >Flow Voting >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:49:44 1998 > >This is a Modest Proposal. > >Create a rule as a member of Governments Rule Suite (rule 320) with the >title "Government Type: Flow Voting" with the text: >" >I. Government Definition. >While the Flow Voting government type is active, scoring for flow-voting >shall be active. Additionally players shall not receive points for >simply voting. > >Flow-Voting is defined as voting YES on an accepted proposal or voting >NO on a rejected proposal (determined at the end of the prescribed >voting period). > >II. Scoring for flow-voting. >Players who flow-vote on a proposal shall gain: >i) one point if it was Modest. >ii) three points if it was Non-Modest. >iii) five points if it was Grandiose. >" ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3792 rejected Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:18 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3792 Votes: 18/24 (6 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 7/19: proposal rejected Tammany Bribes: K 2 A$29 yes Yes: Euphrates Slakko (SPAM) K 2 else...if Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) Tammany MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) No: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) /dev/joe (Vulcan) Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) smallpox blanket (Klingon) JT Vynd ThinMan sIRE Wild Card Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3792 > >Proposal 3792 >Legit ut clericus >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 14:49:55 1998 > > >[If a clerk had been taken >For stealing of bacon. >For burglary, murder, or rape. >If he could but rehearse >(Well prompt) his neck-verse, >He never could fail to escape.'' >British Apollo (1710).] > >Add neckverse to the Ackanomic Lexicon. > ># end proposal > ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3793 accepted Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3793 Votes: 18/24 (14 YES votes): Quorum met Yes votes: 14/18: proposal accepted Yes: r-attila the farce (Giant Objectionable Potato) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Pol Pot (Giant Objectionable Potato) Slakko (SPAM) K 2 /dev/joe (Vulcan) Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) smallpox blanket (Klingon) else...if Robin Hood (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) ThinMan sIRE Wild Card No: Euphrates JT Vynd MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) Abstain Wallace Calvin N Hobbes rufus Studge (Giant Objectionable Potato) IdiotBoy (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party) two-star Pending & did not vote: Danek scout Red Barn Vacationing & did not vote: Aunt Froot Ethelred J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) saaremaa (Vulcan) >Subject: Acka: Proposal 3793 > >Proposal 3793 >Generic Proposal Title #3793 >K 2 >Due: Sun Nov 29 15:13:32 1998 > >Amend Rule 320 (Governments Rule Suite) by replacing the following text: > >" >4. Exactly one week after the Revolution started the Proto-Government >shall become Active. >" >with: >" >4. Exactly three days after the Revolution started the Proto-Government >shall become Active. >" ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3837 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:41 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3837 Still another agenda hat loophole JT Due: Sun Dec 6 16:34:39 1998 This is a modest proposal Amend rule 671 (Nemesis Eggplants and Agenda Hats) by inserting the following CLOSE_THE_HOLE delimited text between the second and third paragraphs CLOSE_THE_HOLE No Entity other than Players or The Mad Hatters may own Agenda Hats. No Entity other than Players may own Nemesis Eggplants. CLOSE_THE_HOLE {{[ For anyone who cares about the why of this, nothing currently stopped players from trading hats and eggplants to churches they belonged to ]}} ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3838 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:52 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3838 Still one more fix to Agenda Calls JT Due: Sun Dec 6 16:34:51 1998 This is a modest proposal. {{[ Alfvaen's recent Prop P3771 didn't actually stop there from being two consecutive calls for submissions as it only checks for a call. After the call comes the bidding period which seems to be seperate from the call. Let's clean this up a bit. There also shouldn't be two calls during a cycle even if the Illuminatus changes hands. ]}} Amend rule 431 (Illuminatus) by replacing the following CALL delimited text CALL The Illuminatus has the Duty to announce a call for Agenda Condition submissions if, for any reason, the player currently holding the office of Illuminatus has announced no such call during the current cycle, and there is no call for Agenda Conditions currently in progress. CALL with the following CLEARER delimited text CLEARER The Illuminatus has the Duty co announce a call for Agenda Condition submissions if, for any reason, there has not been such a call during the current cycle, and there is neither a call for Agenda Conditions nor a Nemesis Eggplant bidding period currently underway. CLEARER ------------------------------ From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3775 accepted Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:54:50 -0500 (EST) > Proposal 3775 > > Votes: 19/24 (18 YES votes): Quorum met > Yes votes: 18/19: proposal accepted > > Yes: > Jenny (The Razor Boomerangs) > JT > MTM (The Razor Boomerangs) JT pointed out to me that my attempt to update the party listings was not entirely accurate, as he is back in the Razor Boomerangs, and thus they actually got Unity votes on P3775, 3777, 3778, and 3790. Since all these props passed anyway, this causes no other effects. /dev/joe Tabulator ------------------------------ From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3792 rejected Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:06:04 -0500 (EST) > Proposal 3792 > > Votes: 18/24 (6 YES votes): Quorum met > Yes votes: 7/19: proposal rejected K 2 attempted to cause an amber banana to vote YES on this proposal. I believe this fails, as amber bananas do not have this ability. The Amber Banana Tree can do this, but only its owner can cause it to do so, and according to K2's player/entity page, no player currently owns the amber banana tree. In any case, if K 2 did somehow cause another YES vote to be cast on this proposal, the proposal was still defeated soundly. /dev/joe Tabulator ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3839 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:36:51 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3839 Fixing up a few loose ends JT Due: Sun Dec 6 19:36:50 1998 {{Destroy all existant Otzma Cards of type Felicitous Populi}} {{[ 2 still exist and count against the totals I believe or maybe not since they are no longer defined under the OC rule suite. However, let's leave it clean, eh? ]}} {{ For every Whamiol and Spell Book of Chorg a player possesses, give them A$25 from the Treasury. Destroy all Whamiols and Spell Books of Chorg. }} {{[ People spent good money on aquiring them, at least give them something back. ]}} ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3840 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:52:17 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3840 Round and round... else...if Due: Sun Dec 6 19:52:17 1998 Retitle rule 1003 "Corporations" Amend rule 1003 to read as delimited by NEWORGORDER NEWORGORDER 1. Forming a Corporation An Corporations is a named unownable entity. Any player may publically announce eir intent to form a Corporation, unless e is a pseudo-Founder. When a player has done so e becomes a pseudo-Founder for a period of 7-days. If during those 7 days at least two additional players publically announce that they wish to join the Corporation the pseudo-Founder intends to form, and the pseudo-Founder agrees, then the pseudo-Founder forms the Corporation by announcing the Corporation's name, its type, paying the standard Harfer's Fee, and announceing the name of its members. 120 shares in the Corporation are created and distributed equally among the initial members; excess shares are destroyed. The name must be a legal name. 2. Corporation Disbandment The rules may call for the disbandment of an Corporation. When an Corporation is disbanded, everything owned by the Corporation is transferred to the Treasury, all shares associated with the Corporation are destroyed, and the Corporation is then no more. 3. Corporate Voting When a motion is made to a Corporation, its stockholders have one week to vote publicly. At the end of that week or when sufficient votes have been made such that no additional votes could change the outcome, the result of the votes will be determined. If the motion was privaleged, the support of entities owning at least two-thirds of the shares is requrired for it to pass; otherwise the support of the owners of a simple majority is needed. Corporations which own shares in the Corporation and do not vote are not counted for the purposes of determining the number of shares neccessary, nor are shares buried in treasure. 4. Motions Any shareholder may make a motion to a Corporation e owns shares in. The following are valid, non-privaleged, motions: 1) To accept offered entities 2) To change its name to a valid name (which costs the Corporation the SHF, and fails if it does not have an SHF) 3) To make a motion to a partially-owned Corporation 4) To vote on a motion in another Corporation. The following are valid privaleged motions: 1) To accept a trade or offer entities 2) To disband 3) To mint and distribute new shares associated with the Corporation 4) To operate a Secret Lab or other Corporate equipment. The maker of the motion is assumed to vote for the motion. 5. Corruption A player may call a Corruption hearing against a Corporation claiming that the entity is abusing the rules. They then become the SEC Inspector (Hearing Harfer) for that hearing. The valid votes are "They're just honest business people, and besides, everyone does it" and "Split 'em up like Ma Bell!". If the result is the former the SEC Inspector must pay the SHF to each of the members or stock holders. If the result is the latter the entity is disbanded and the SEC Inspector receives a bribe, er, payment of twice the SHF from the Treasury. 6. The Principle of Otzma Corporations have no real understanding of the power that lurks in cards. Therefore, if any Corporation owns an Otzma Card, that Otzma Card is destroyed. NEWORGORDER Repeal rule 1004. Renumber rule 1005 to 1050. Create rule 1005, "Shares" with the following STOCK-delimited text STOCK Shares are nameless, tradeable entities. Each share is associated with a Corporation. If a Corporation owns a share associated with itself, that share is destroyed. If a group of Corporations own shares in such a way that no entity other than a member of that group owns shares in any of those Corporations, all those Corporations are immediately disbanded. If an entity owns two-thirds or more of the shares of a Corporation which are not buried, then all entities owned by that Corporation will be treated as if they are owned by that entity and the Corporation will be known as a Subsidiary; for the purposes of this paragraph, a player who owns n% of a Corporation is treated as owning n% of the shares that Corporation owns. This paragraph takes precedence over all other rules which transfer entities. STOCK All societies are turned into Corporations with 120 shares split evenly among their members; any excess shares are destroyed. All entities owned by Political Parties are transfered to a random member of that Party. Renumber rule 1006 to 1055. Repeal 1007. Renumber 1007.1 to 1025, replace all occurances of "Organization" in it with "Political Party", and rename it "Political Party Admissions". Renumber 1021, and amend it to read as delimited by NEWPOLITICS NEWPOLITICS A Political Party is a nameless, unownable entity. Being a member of more than one Political Party simultaneously is the Crime of Branch-Stacking. At the end of a proposal's voting period, but before votes on that proposal are counted, if every voting player member of a given Political Party voted YES on that proposal, and no member of the Party is also a member of some other Party, then the Political Party itself shall cast an additional YES vote on that proposal for every three voting player members it has. Party membership and how players voted are determined based on the facts in force at the end of the voting period for each proposal. Any player may publically announce eir intent to form a Political Party, unless e is a pseudo-Founder. When a player has done so e becomes a pseudo-Founder for a period of 7-days. If during those 7 days at least two additional players publically announce that they wish to join the Party the pseudo-Founder intends to form, and the pseudo-Founder agrees, then the pseudo-Founder forms the Party by announcing the Party's name, its type, paying A$300, and announcing the name of its members. NEWPOLITICS Rename 1008 to "Corporate Powers" and replace every occurance of the word "Organization" in it with "Corporation". Append to rule 1008 the text "A Subsidiary Corporation may not use Corporate Powers." In rule 1011 and 1013, replace "Organizational" with "Corporate" and "Organization" with "Corporation". Repeal rule 1015. Replace the first two paragraphs of rule 1017 with the following TRUSTCASE-delimited text TRUSTCASE A Trust Fund is a type of corporation. When a player announces eir intent to found a Trust Fund, they must also annonuce a charter and a name. If the player can then afford to pay the SHF, the Fund comes into existance with the specified charter, without going throuhg the waiting period and without needing any other players to express interest. Trust Funds may only own tradeable entities. TRUSTCASE Replace "$A" in the rest of 1017 with "tradeable entities". Replace the first sentence of the penultimate paragraph of rule 1017 with "A Trust Fund's charter should specify what is should do with its tradeable entites and when it should accept offered trades." Repeal rule 1020. Create rule 1020, "Organization Miscellany" reading as delimited by ORGJUNK ORGJUNK A player may call a Tax Evasion hearing against a Church or Political Party, claiming that the entity is abusing the rules. They then become the IRS Investigator (Hearing Harfer) for that hearing. The valid votes are "You're just persecuting them because they donated to your opponent" and "Worse than United Way". If the result is the former the IRS Investigator must pay the SHF to each of the members or stock holders. If the result is the latter the entity is disbanded and the IRS Investigator receives a bribe, er, payment of twice the SHF from the Treasury. Because Churches are religious, they eschew any pagan symbols. Therefore, if any Church owns an Otzma Card, that Otzma Card is destroyed. ORGJUNK ------------------------------ From: devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu Subject: Acka: Proposal 3841 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:09:19 -0500 (EST) Proposal 3841 No more bridges else...if Due: Sun Dec 6 21:09:19 1998 This is a Modest proposal. [I don't think Slakko's fix will work well, and regardless it will be too late for it to be as fun as possible.] Repeal rule 810.1 ------------------------------ End of acka-voting Digest V3 #210 *********************************