From: owner-acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com (acka-voting-digest) To: acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com Subject: acka-voting-digest V3 #134 Reply-To: acka-voting@muppetlabs.com Sender: owner-acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com Errors-To: owner-acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com Precedence: bulk acka-voting-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 134 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:40:36 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3425 rejected Results of Proposal 3425 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 4/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) NO: breadbox Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) Piz BAA!: Rig R. Mortis Alfvaen (MetaMorph) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3425 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:02 EDT > Honesty in Voting > J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt) > > [This is creating a new possibility to vote. In some cases one might like a > proposal, but wants to keep flaws in it which e sees out of the ruleset. > RETHINK counts as NO for the terms of acceptance of the proposal, but keeps > the penalty away from the proposer unless there were enough NO's.] > > In rule 106, apply the following changes: > > In the first paragraph, replace "YES, NO or BAA!" with "YES, NO, RETHINK or > BAA!". > > Replace the second paragraph with the HONEST-delimited text: > > HONEST > The required number of YES votes for a proposal to be accepted is > three-fifths of the total number of YES, RETHINK and NO votes legally cast > within the prescribed voting period. If that value is 0, however, the > required number of YES votes for acceptance is 1. > > The required number of NO votes for a proposal to be rejected is two-fifths > of the total number of YES, RETHINK and NO votes legally cast within the > prescribed voting period, plus 1. > > If the proposal is neither accepted nor rejected, it is returned for > reconsideration, and neither the rewards for acceptance nor the penalties > for rejection are applied. > HONEST > > In Rule 207, append the NOREWARD-delimited text as a new paragraph at the > end of section III. (Scoring on Proposals): > > NOREWARD > Any player who voted RETHINK on the proposal loses one point. > NOREWARD > [One point penalty instead of one point reward isn't much, but it should > guarantee that players only vote RETHINK on flawed proposals they like, but > think they are too flawed to include them into the ruleset right now. > > If nobody uses the RETHINK vote, nothing changes.] > > J. M. Bear loses 5 points. breadbox gains 5 points. > [He's got the work, after all] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3426 accepted Results of Proposal 3426 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 12/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) Rex Mundi (Klingon) JT (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Bonus Vote [Slakko used a Bonus Vote] Tammany [Alfvaen bribed Tammany A$26] [Slakko bribed Tammany A$28 (YES)] NO: breadbox rufus (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Piz BAA!: Rig R. Mortis Alfvaen (MetaMorph) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3426 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:03 EDT > Bonehead Maneuver > J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt) > > [This might be crazy enough to get through] > > Create a Rule, numbered 1030, with the Title "Castes" (minus the quotation > marks), and the MINBARI-delimited text: > > MINBARI > The Worker Caste, the Warrior Caste and the Religious Caste are Unique > Organizations. There are no other Castes. > > When a player ceases to be a Newbie, e becomes a member of one of these > Castes by random determination. The chances to join a Caste are equal to > the number of members in the other two castes divided by twice the number > of members in all three Castes.[This adds up to one.] > > No player may leave eir Caste. However, it is possible that two or three > players agree to swap Caste membership, provided that the players swapping > membership have all been in the Player State of Voting for at least 3 > weeks, and none of them swapped Caste membership within the last 3 weeks. > > {{Each player which is in the State of Voting, Non-Voting, Inactive or On > Ice and which is not a Newbie becomes a member of one of the Castes by > random determination, each Caste having the same probability of 1/3 to be > chosen.}} > MINBARI > > Create a Rule, numbered 1031, titled "Grey Council" (minus the quotation > marks), and the VALEN-delimited text: > > VALEN > The Grey Council is an Office with up to nine seats. It is also a Unique > Organization. > > Each Caste (Worker, Warrior, Religious) has the right to fill 3 seats in > the Grey Council. > > The rules for nomination, election and impeachment apply with the > restriction that only a member of a Caste may a) nominate emself for a seat > that this Caste has the right to fill, > b) vote in the election for seats that this Caste has the right to fill, > > c) vote on the impeachment of a Grey Council member of this Caste. > > When a member of the Grey Council swaps Caste membership with one or two > other players, this member's seat immeadiately becomes vacant. > VALEN > > In the rule which had the number 250 on August 11, 1998, add in section > VII. (Upon Becoming a Non-Player) as a point c): "c) E ceases to be a > member of eir Caste." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:42:31 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3427 rejected Results of Proposal 3427 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 6/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) else...if (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) breadbox K 2 (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) Tammany [Slakko bribed Tammany A$28] BAA!: Mr. Tambourine Man ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3427 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:04 EDT > Don't do the crime if you can't do the time > Publius (Brandon Ray) > > Add the following BRIBE-delimited text to the end of Rule 315: > > BRIBE > Whenever a Tammany Bribe is offered, there is a probability equal to the > amount of the bribe (in A$) divided by 5 that the player offering the bribe > will be caught. (Thus, the probability of being caught will range from 5% > to 20%.) At the conclusion of each vote, the Tabulator shall use the Random > Method to determine which player(s), if any, have been caught. Any player > who is caught is deemed guilty of Contempt, and shall be punished in accord > with the rules governing Contempt. The provisions of this paragraph shall > in no way nullify or affect the counting or reporting of votes cast by > Tammany. > BRIBE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3428 rejected Results of Proposal 3428 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 6/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis Robin Hood (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Slakko (SPAM) Piz NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) breadbox Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) BAA!: ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3428 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:05 EDT > Harfy Birthday! > Publius (Brandon Ray) > > Change the following OLD-delimited text > > OLD > (a) maintaining a list of all registered players, their current Ackanomic > names, their e-mail addresses, and their player states. > > (b) maintaining a list of all current and previous players, all Ackanomic > names held by them at any point, and their True Names. > OLD > > to read as the following NEW-delimited text: > > NEW > (a) maintaining a list of all registered players, their current Ackanomic > names, their e-mail addresses, their player states, and their > Acka-Birthdates. > > (b) maintaining a list of all current and previous players, all Ackanomic > names held by them at any point, their True Names, and their > Acka-Birthdates. > NEW > > Add a new rule with the number 1170, and the title <>, to > consist of the following BIRTHDAY-delimited text: > > BIRTHDAY > 1. Every player of Acka shall have an Acka-Birthday, which shall be defined > as the day that player first joined the game of Ackanomic. > > 2. On each Active player’s Acka-Birthday, the Registrar shall post as a > public action an announcement of the joyous occasion. During the 72 hours > immediately following the announcement, each Active player shall present a > gift to the player whose Acka-Birthday it is. The gift may be any tradeable > entity which it is legal for the giver to give and the recipient to own. > > 3. An Active player who fails to give a gift under the provisions of this > Rule shall be pronounced by the Speaker in a public action to be a Churl. > In the event that the Speaker has failed to give a gift, this duty shall > devolve to the Clerk of the Court. The provisions of this paragraph shall > be void if the required pronouncement is not made within 13 days of the > original proclamation of the Acka-Birthday. > > 4. A Churl must sign all messages regarding Ackanomic with the phrase < am a Churl.>> This requirement shall continue for the shorter of: > > A. Ten calendar days from the moment e is declared to be a Churl. > > B. Until e has given a gift to the player whose Acka-Birthday it was. > > 5. No Acka-Birthday shall be announced or celebrated for, nor shall any > gifts be given to, any player who is in Gaol, Inactive, or On Ice at 12:01 > a.m. on eir Acka-Birthday. > > 6. A Returning Player shall retain the same Acka-Birthday ey had when last > ey were Active. > BIRTHDAY > > {{The Registrar shall establish the Acka-Birthdates of all players, > regardless of status, as of the date this Rule is accepted. In any case > where this information is not available, the Registrar shall ask the player > (if the player is Active) what the correct date is, and use the date given > as the Acka-Birthdate. If the player does not know, or if the player is not > Active, the Registrar shall use the Random Method to establish an > Acka-Birthdate for that player. Once all Acka-Birthdates have been > established, the Registrar shall post the complete list as a public > action.}} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:43:26 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3429 rejected Results of Proposal 3429 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 5/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis /dev/joe (Vulcan) breadbox Mr. Tambourine Man 867-5309 (Boomerangs) NO: Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) else...if (SPAM) Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz BAA!: K 2 (AVPP) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3429 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:06 EDT > The Scorekeeper STILL Doesn't Have Enough To Do??!? > 867-5309 (Eric Plumb) > > Delete the text "All players who voted on any proposal receive one point." > from Rule 207. > > [ Incentive to vote should be just that -- the motivation to either promote > or resist changes to the game. Giving points to everyone who votes is not > only superfluous but even damaging IMHO. ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3430 rejected Results of Proposal 3430 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 8/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) K 2 (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) rufus (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) SPAM Unity Vote NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) JT (Boomerangs) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz BAA!: Rig R. Mortis breadbox ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3430 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:07 EDT > Pain and Suffrage > 867-5309 (Eric Plumb) > > [ Warning: Reinstates anti-voting (but not as you might think...) ] > > If the text "All players who voted on any proposal receive one point." > exists in Rule 207, delete it. > > Renumber Rule 207.1, "That's just silly," to 207.2. > > Create a new Rule numbered 207.1, entitled "Auntie Voting" with the > following PERFIDIOUS-delimited text: > > PERFIDIOUS > Voting contrary to the outcome of a Proposal, that is, voting NO on a > Proposal which is accepted or voting YES on a Proposal which meets quorum > but fails, is called "anti-voting." The AAVPP (aka VPP) hegemony of > Ackanomic has decreed that this is a Bad Thing (tm.) > > Voting in concordance with the actual outcome of a Proposal (in other > words, voting YES on a Proposal which passes or NO on a Proposal which > meets quorum but is rejected), is called "anti-anti-voting" or > "bandwagoning" for short. This is an Even Worse Thing. Don't ask why, you > don't want to know. We could tell you, but we'd have to kill you. > > To this end, each player who anti-anti-votes on a Modest Proposal shall > lose 1 point, each player who anti-anti-votes on a Grandiose Proposal shall > lose 5 points, and each player who anti-anti-votes on a Proposal which is > neither Modest nor Grandiose shall lose 3 points. > > {{[ Long live the Resistance! Harf! Harf! Harf! ]}} > PERFIDIOUS > > [ For those of you who may ask why, my reasons are very simple: I enjoy > anti-voting. Part of it has to do with Vynd's theory of unaccountability, > part with the unpredictability (and hence -- to me -- fun), and part with > simple irritation at those who seem to think proposals are "supposed" to > pass or fail. (Yeah, I know that last horse is six feet under and still > being beaten mercilessly, but...) > > As to the theory that "it would destroy our economy," I'm not sure I see > how. The economy can always be revised. As is, I think we have far too many > positive points -- hence the change. ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3437 rejected Results of Proposal 3437 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 8/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) K 2 (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) Piz NO: Mr. Tambourine Man Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) BAA!: breadbox Vynd (Vulcan) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3437 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:14 EDT > Say What You Mean > Attila the Pun (Micah Smukler) > > This is a Modest proposal. > > Amend Rule 550 ("Honor System Rule Suite") by replacing the text "a range > of -1000000 to 1000000" with the following Q-delimited text: > Q > a range consisting of all integers [i.e. from "negative infinity" to > "positive infinity"]" > Q > > {{The player of Ackanomic whose real name is Duncan Richer gains one point. > The author of this proposal loses one point.}} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3438 accepted Results of Proposal 3438 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 11/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) K 2 (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) rufus (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz SPAM Unity Vote NO: breadbox Mr. Tambourine Man Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) JT (Boomerangs) BAA!: Rig R. Mortis ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3438 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:15 EDT > Bard warning! > Publius (Brandon Ray) > > This is a modest proposal. > > If Proposal 3392 was accepted prior to the acceptance of this proposal, add > the following ORNOTTOBE-delimited text to the end of the rule it created: > > ORNOTTOBE > On April 19 of each year, the Speaker shall post the entire text of this > Rule as a public action. > ORNOTTOBE ------------------------------ End of acka-voting-digest V3 #134 *********************************