From: owner-acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com (acka-voting-digest) To: acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com Subject: acka-voting-digest V3 #133 Reply-To: acka-voting@muppetlabs.com Sender: owner-acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com Errors-To: owner-acka-voting-digest@muppetlabs.com Precedence: bulk acka-voting-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 133 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:59:01 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3412 accepted Results of Proposal 3412 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 11/15 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: /dev/joe (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) Rex Mundi (Klingon) else...if Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) Attila the Pun (AVPP) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Piz NO: Robin Hood (AVPP) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) Slakko (SPAM) BAA!: Rig R. Mortis breadbox two-star ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3412 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:48 EDT > Cycle=Duel? > Attila the Pun (Micah Smukler) > > This is a Modest proposal > > Amend Rule 550.1 ("Honorable Acts") by replacing the text "1 honour : > Winning a Cycle" with the text "2 honour : Winning a Cycle". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3413 rejected Results of Proposal 3413 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) else...if two-star rufus (SPAM) Attila the Pun (AVPP) NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) breadbox IdiotBoy (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) JT (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) Piz BAA!: Alfvaen (MetaMorph) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3413 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:49 EDT > Just Like It Too > K 2 (Kelly Kelly) > > This is a Modest Proposal. > > {{[It should be permissible for both expensive and old trinkets to be > Majik, IMIUHO]}} > > Amend Rule 506.1 (Magik) to read in full: > " > An existing Trinket can be made into a Majik by the Archaeologist. A player > who owns a Trinket worth more than A$99 or which has existed for at least > six months can ask in a public message if that Trinket is special. If the > Archaeologist replies publicly within 3 days "This Trinket is Majik", then > the Trinket becomes a Majik. [It is considered good form to give the > Archaeologist a 10% fee for this service.] > > Majiks are no longer Trinkets but keep the value, name and description they > had when Trinkets. Majiks are tradeable entities. > " > > {{[Current Text > An existing Trinket can be made into a Majik by the Archaeologist. A player > who owns a Trinket worth more than A$99 can ask in a public message if that > Trinket is special. If the Archaeologist replies publicly within 3 days > "This Trinket is Majik", then the Trinket becomes a Majik. [It is > considered good form to give the Archaeologist a 10% fee for this service.] > > Majiks are no longer Trinkets but keep the value, name and description they > had when Trinkets. Majiks are tradeable entities. > ]}} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3414 rejected Results of Proposal 3414 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 10/18 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) else...if two-star JT (Boomerangs) Attila the Pun (AVPP) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) breadbox IdiotBoy (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) Slakko (SPAM) Piz BAA!: ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3414 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:50 EDT > The Motherload > K 2 (Kelly Kelly) > > This is a Modest Proposal. > > {{[Not _another_ hearing :) ]}} > > Insert as a new Section after Section III of rule 1217 (Buried Treasure!) > the following text (--- delimited): > --- > IV. > > If a player believes that a particular treasure map, for a treasure which > was discovered within the previous three days, is not in keeping with the > spirit of treasure hunting e may call for a Hostile Takeover. > > A Hostile Takeover is a Hearing for which the valid responses are: "Right > up there with the Jukkasjarvi Treasure" and "the accumulation of money is a > great evil and a burden to the soul" [Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad]. The > player who called it is the Hearing Harfer for it and is called the Gold > Digger while it is in session. For the purposes of this section those > entities which were buried in the treasure and any entities created from > them since the discovery of the treasure are referred to as The Motherload. > > The map writer and recipient of the Treasure against which the Hostile > Takeover was called are not permitted to vote in the Hostile Takeover. > > In the event that the verdict of the Hostile Takeover is "Right up there > with the Jukkasjarvi Treasure", the Gold Digger shall transfer The Standard > Harfer Fee to the map writer. > > In the event that the verdict is "the accumulation of money is a great evil > and a burden to the soul" [Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad], then all > entities in The Motherload, which are of types normally accepted by the > Museum, are transferred to the North Wing of the Museum with the map writer > as beneficiary. Any entities in the Motherload which were not transferred > to the Museum's North wing by the previous sentence are transferred to the > Treasury. Additionally the map writer shall pay The Standard Harfer Fee to > the Gold Digger. > --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3415 accepted Results of Proposal 3415 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 11/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) else...if Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) Attila the Pun (AVPP) Slakko (SPAM) NO: breadbox IdiotBoy (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) two-star Piz BAA!: Rig R. Mortis 867-5309 (Boomerangs) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3415 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:51 EDT > Spell - Charm Person > Slakko (Duncan Richer) > > [This proposal creates the basic structure of enthrallments. It sets up the > definition of Thrall, the method of claiming Thrall through proposals, the > Office of Thrallmaster, and the method of claiming a Win from Thrall. Other > Thrall-related items are less central to the concept, and so better belong > in separate proposals.] > > Create a new Rule, numbered 750, titled "Thrall: Definition", with the > following 1ST-delimited text: > > 1ST > Each Player has a Thrall Attribute. At all times a Player's thrall > attribute is either the name of a Player or the null string (i.e. ""). If a > Player (A) changes their name, then any players whose thrall attribute was > the old name of Player (A), then their thrall attribute becomes the new > name of Player (A). > > When a new player joins the game, their Thrall Attribute is set to "". > > When a Player (B) leaves the game, any Player whose Thrall Attribute is the > name of Player (B) has their Thrall Attribute set to "". > > If Player (C) has Thrall Attribute which is the name of Player (D), then > Player (C) may be referred to as Player (D)'s Overlord. > > {{All Players' Thrall Attributes are set to "".}} > 1ST > > Create a new Rule, numbered 440, titled "Thrallmaster", with the following > 2ND-delimited text: > > 2ND > There is a Functional Office of Thrallmaster. > > The Duties of the Thrallmaster are: > (i) To maintain a list of player Thrall Attributes. > (ii) To publicly announce whenever a Thrall Attribute has changed. > 2ND > > Create a new Rule, numbered 755, titled "Enthrallments", with the following > 3RD-delimited text: > > 3RD > Players may indicate Potential Enthrallments by privately notifying the > Thrallmaster. A Potential Enthrallment consists of a Player and a Proposal, > provided that the author of the Proposal and of the Potential Enthrallment > are the same, and the Proposal is in its voting period. Each Proposal may > only appear in a single Potential Enthrallment; if a Proposal appears in > multiple supposed Potential Enthrallments, only the first one which > satisfies the above conditions shall be valid. > > When a Proposal which is part of a Potential Enthrallment is accepted, the > Player mentioned in the Potential Enthrallment has their Thrall Attribute > set to the name of the author of that Proposal. > > When a Proposal which is part of a Potential Enthrallment is rejected, the > author of that Proposal has their Thrall Attribute set to the name of the > Player mentioned in the Potential Enthrallment. > 3RD > > Create a new Rule, numbered 615, entitled "Win By World Domination", with > the following 4TH-delimited text: > > 4TH > If a single Player (A) is Overlord of more than 60% of all Active Players, > then Player (A) achieves a Winning Condition, provided that Player (A) did > not win the previous Cycle by achieving a Winning Condition under the > provisions of this rule. Player (A) also receives the title of Small Lab > Mouse, if e does not already have it. > > If anyone wins a Cycle by this method, then at the end of that Cycle all > Thrall Attributes are set to "". > 4TH > > {{Slakko's Thrall Attribute is set to the name of the Player who has had > the Ackanomic Name of "Publius".}} > [That's for the groovy name suggestion - Thrallmaster] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3416 rejected Results of Proposal 3416 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 6/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Rex Mundi (Klingon) else...if two-star rufus (SPAM) Slakko (SPAM) NO: Robin Hood (AVPP) breadbox IdiotBoy (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) JT (Boomerangs) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Piz BAA!: Rig R. Mortis Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Attila the Pun (AVPP) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3416 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:52 EDT > Multi-proposals > Publius (Brandon Ray) > > Create a new rule with the number 304 and the title “Multi-proposals”, > consisting of the following BINARY-delimited text: > > BINARY > A player may submit multiple proposals (or Multi-proposals) with the > intention that only one of them (at most) be adopted. Only proposals > submitted as described in this Rule shall be considered as Multi-proposals. > > A Multi-proposal shall consist of two or more independent and complete > proposals, written and submitted as described in the Rules governing > proposals. In addition to this, each of the proposals must abide by the > following: > > 1. All proposals in a Multi-proposal must be submitted by the same author. > > 2. There may be no more than five individual proposals contained in any > given Multi-proposal. > > 3. All proposals in a Multi-proposal must address substantially the same > subject matter. The Promoter may declare Invalid any part of a > Multi-proposal, if e believes that this requirement has not been met. There > shall be no penalty to the author if part of a Multi-proposal is declared > Invalid under the terms of this paragraph. > > 4. Each proposal in a Multi-proposal must begin with the following > CAVEAT-delimited text: > > CAVEAT > This proposal is part of Multi-proposal NAME. > CAVEAT > > Where NAME is any legal name. > > 5. No more than one hour may separate the submission of the first proposal > of a Multi-proposal from the submission of the last proposal, and all > proposals within a Multi-proposal must be submitted on the same calendar > day. > > Individual proposals contained in a Multi-proposal shall be processed by > the Promoter in all respects as if they were regular proposals, except that > the Promoter shall make a reasonable effort to place the individual > proposals of a Multi-proposal next to each other on the voting queue, and > to give them sequential Proposal numbers. > > Individual proposals contained in a Multi-proposal shall be voted upon by > the players in all respects as if they were regular proposals. In > tabulating the vote, however, only that proposal with the greatest > percentage of YES votes shall be accepted, and all other proposals from the > same Multi-proposal shall be rejected, regardless of eir vote totals and > quorum status. To be accepted,a proposal must also meet all other > requirements prescribed by the Rules for acceptance of a regular proposal. > In the event that two or more proposals within the same Multi-proposal > shall receive the same percentage of YES votes, and both meet the > requirements to be accepted, the proposal with the lowest Proposal number > shall be accepted, and the other proposal(s) shall be rejected. > > As long as one proposal within a Multi-proposal is accepted, the author > shall receive the points to which e would be entitled if the accepted > proposal had been presented and accepted as a regular proposal. If none of > the proposals are accepted, the author shall lose one point for each Modest > Proposal contained in the Multi-proposal; five points for each Grandiose > proposal contained in the Multi-proposal; and three points for each > immodest, non-grandiose proposal contained in the Multi-proposal. > > Individual proposals within a Multi-proposal may be retracted by the author > in the same manner as prescribed in the Rules for regular proposals. > > Each individual proposal within a Multi-proposal may be Modest, Grandiose, > or neither, without regard to the status of any other individual proposal > within the same Multi-proposal. > BINARY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3418 rejected Results of Proposal 3418 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) else...if Attila the Pun (AVPP) Slakko (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) breadbox Rex Mundi (Klingon) two-star Alfvaen (MetaMorph) rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) BAA!: IdiotBoy (AVPP) Piz ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3418 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:54 EDT > Tomfoolery > 867-5309 (Eric Plumb) > > While enjoying our compatibility, > I am cognizant of its fragility, > And I question the advisability > Of relying on its durability. > You're aware of my inflexibility > And my quintessential volatility > And the total inconceivability > Of my showing genuine humility. > > Though your undeniable nubility > May excuse a certain puerility, > Your alleged indispensability > Underestimates my versatility, > And your boyish irresponsibility > And what now is charming juvenility > Will in time lose their adorability > And appear much more like juvenility. > > {{ Add "Artist: Tom Lehrer" to the Literature List. > 867-5309 loses 2 points; Attila the Pun gains 2 points. }} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3419 accepted Results of Proposal 3419 17/26 votes: Quorum achieved 11/17 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: Rig R. Mortis Vynd (Vulcan) /dev/joe (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) Robin Hood (AVPP) JT (Boomerangs) Attila the Pun (AVPP) Slakko (SPAM) IdiotBoy (AVPP) NO: K 2 (AVPP) else...if rufus (SPAM) breadbox 867-5309 (Boomerangs) Piz BAA!: ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) two-star Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3419 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:55 EDT > Characteristic Tests > JT (JT Traub) > > Create a rule numbered 541 titled 'Characteristic Tests' with the following > TESTY delimited text > > TESTY > Other rules may call for a test of a characteristic. A test of a > characteristic is only valid if all objects to be tested contain the > characteristic to be tested, and if the characteristic is defined as > Testable. > > When a rule calls for a Characteristic Test, the following proceedure is > performed. > > For each object to be tested, a Characteristic Roll is performed. A > Characteristic Roll is defined as a random number generated such that it > has the same distribution as that characteristic. [For instance to generate > a characteristic roll for Strength one would use 3d6]. > > For each object the Characteristic Roll is compared subtracted from the > Characteristic Value. The resulting number is the Test Value. > > The object with the maximum Test Value is declared to have won the test. > > [Example: JT has a STR of 12 and Alfvaen has a STR of 17. The > Characteristic Roll for JT is 7 and the Characteristic Roll for Alfvaen is > 14. The Test Value for JT is 5 (12-7) and the Test Value for Alfvaen is 3 > (17 - 3). Therefor JT would win this hypothetical test.] > TESTY > > Make the following amendments to rule 540.2 (Basic Player Characteristics). > In the first paragraph replace 25 with 18. {{[This gives an even > distribution of 3d6 whereas 3-25 was strange.]}} > Append the following TESTABLE delimited text to the end of the first > paragraph > TESTABLE > The Basic Player Characteristics are Testable. > TESTABLE > Append the following DM delimited text to the end of the rule > DM > It is the responsibility of the DM to track any characteristics of players > that are not explicitly tracked by any other officer. > DM > {{[Basically this means these and Harf since Honour is tracked by the > Herald.]}} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3420 rejected Results of Proposal 3420 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: IdiotBoy (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) else...if JT (Boomerangs) Attila the Pun (AVPP) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) breadbox Rex Mundi (Klingon) two-star rufus (SPAM) Slakko (SPAM) Piz BAA!: Rig R. Mortis Alfvaen (MetaMorph) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3420 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:56 EDT > Three's A Crowd > Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey) > > I was young and foolish then, I feel old and foolish now. > > This is a Grandiose proposal. > > Create a new Rule, numbered 775, named "Vagueness", with text as > follows(delimited by SEQ): > > SEQ > It is a crime to talk in a public dorum about publicly unknowable things. > SEQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3421 accepted Results of Proposal 3421 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved 12/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: Rig R. Mortis /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) IdiotBoy (AVPP) Vynd (Vulcan) else...if two-star rufus (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) Attila the Pun (AVPP) Slakko (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) NO: breadbox Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) Piz BAA!: Rex Mundi (Klingon) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) Fortunato J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge VACATIONING: Wild Card Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden > Proposal 3421 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:57 EDT > Duelling Banjos Would Be More Effective > Slakko (Duncan Richer) > > This is a Modest Proposal. > > Amend Rule 1250.13, "Single Capture Go", by replacing the text "minimum > players: 2" with "minimum players: 3". > > [This game is almost always a draw when played as a duel.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:49:00 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3452 Proposal 3452 Let\222s try this one again. Publius (Brandon Ray) {{1. For purposes of this Rule only, the phrase <> refers to all proposals in the game of Ackanomic for which the voting period expired between the instant that the Muppetlabs hard drive crashed, and 11:59 p.m., August 17, 1998. 2. The proposals shall be processed by the Promoter as if they had been submitted for the first time at the instant that this proposal is accepted. 3. At the moment that this proposal is accepted, the Scorekeeper shall adjust the scores of all players to what those scores would have been if the proposals had not been processed by the Tabulator and/or Count Tabula. 4. Any player may retract any or all of the proposals which e authored without penalty. 5. The author of this proposal shall receive no points if it is accepted. 6. This Rule takes precedence over all other Rules.}} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:50:15 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3453 Proposal 3453 Eureka! Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) Create a new rule as a member of the otzma card rulesuite titled "Otzma Card of type Flash of Inspiration" reading as follows: "Otzma Card of type Flash of Inspiration have an F designation of normal. There may exist at most ten cards of this type in existence at any one time. An Otzma Card of this type may be played in the public forum. In the same mesage as playing an Otzma card of this type a player should post the name and text of a discovery. Due to the flash of inspiration much less money needs to be spent on research and development. The player need only pay A$20 to create the discovery. Counter action: The player who played this card must pay the additional A$80 to the treasury to cover the additional cost of the gadget." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3454 Proposal 3454 Return to the stone age Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) Repeal rule 593 (Ackanomic University) Repeal the blueprints rulesuite, i.e., all rules numbered 594.x, including rule 594. Repeal rule 595 (Gadgets) Repeal Rule 1013 (Secret Laboratories) Repeal rule 1240.13 (Otzma Card of Type Fix My Gadget) Repeal rule 1240.18 (Otzma Card of type Lay Off!) Repeal rule 1240.51 (Otzma Card of Type ACME InstaGadget) If there exists a rule titled "Otzma Card of type Flash of Inspiration" then repeal it. - ---- From rule 360 delete the following text: ", and if such attempting entity is a mechanical Gadget, it breaks" - ---- From rule 710 delete the string "gadgets, " - ---- In rule 812 replace: "gadget. If any member of the team owns no gadgets, e loses two random trinkets. If e owns no gadgets and fewer than two trinkets e loses all the trinkets e owns. For the purposes of this rule lost trinkets and gadgets are considered to have been destroyed. " with: "trinket which is then destroyed." - ---- In rule 850 replace: "Gadget, Trinket, or Prosthetic Forehead" with: "Trinket or Prosthetic Forehead" In the same rule deletet the text: ") Gadgets: The most recent price paid for that type of Gadget at an auction such that the proceeds of that auction went to the Treasury. If that value is undefined, its value is A$50. c" - ---- From rule 910 delete the following text: "Ancient artifact (1 page): A page describing the workings of a powerful ancient device. The reader loses A$50, and receives a newly created random Qualified Gadget, which, if it's a mechanical Gadget, breaks when the reader receives it. This page has no effect on a player without sufficient A$. " - ---- From rule 1211 delete section 9) a) and 9) e) and relable the other setions of the same rule such that each section of part 9 is labelled with a letter on place later in the Roman alphabet than the previous one and the first section of part 9 is labelled with an a. - ---- From rule 1240.15 delete the string "Gadgets, ". - ---- In rule 1240.20 replace: "a Gadget or Otzma Card that is in eir possession. If a Gadget is named, then that Gadget is converted to another Qualified Gadget of a randomly determined type. If the original Gadget is broken, then if possible, the new Gadget is also broken. If it would be illegal for that player to own the new Gadget for some reason, then the original gadget is destroyed instead. If an Otzma Card is named, then that" with: "an Otzma Card that is in eir possession. That" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3455 Proposal 3455 Like the Longines Symphonette Robin Hood (Robert Shaw) Create a new rule, numbered 231, named 'Infinite improbabilities' with the following INFINITE delimited text INFINITE If any number has to be randomly selected from an infinite range, then the person making the selection shall A/ Determine all possible resulting changes in the game-state. All subsequent references in this rule to game state changes refer only to changes that can result from the random choice. [So no-one is tempted to consider other changes] B/ Choose at random a game-state change in such a way that i/ if the set of numbers which produce a particular game-state change is finite its chance of being chosen is zero ii/ all other game-state changes are equally likely. C/ Chose, in any way they see fit, a number which would produce the game-state change chosen in step B. The number chosen in step C is the number selected. If this procedure can not be followed, the number will not be chosen until it can be chosen in accordance with the rules. No player shall suffer any penalty for obeying this clause. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:53:06 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3456 Proposal 3456 Fixing the wheel JT (JT Traub) This is a modest proposal. Amend rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of type Roulette Wheel) by replacing the phrase 'Deterministic Method' with the phrase 'Probabalistic Method'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3457 Proposal 3457 Some proposals just aren't designed to pass Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) This is a modest proposal. Append the following text to the end of rule 540.1 (Characteristic: Harf) "Whenever a proposal is declared harfy its author gains 1 Harf." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:55:04 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3458 Proposal 3458 Money makes the world go around Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) Ammend rule 206 (Keep 'Em In The Game) to read in full: If any player owns a number of A$ less than -50 then e shall automatically receive from the treasury an ammount of A$ such that eir new A$ total will be A$0. If a player owns exactly A$-50 then e shall receive A$100 from the treasury. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3459 Proposal 3459 Every Jumbled Pile of Person has a Part That Wonders What the Part That Isn't Thinking Isn't Thinking Of Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) Append the following to the end of rule 103 (Retroactive Effects): "This rule takes precedence over all other rules except those which explicitly claim precedence over this rule mentioning it by both name and number [i.e. not just rules claiming universal precedence]." Ammend rule 701 by replacing: "This paragraph has precedence over rule 103." with: "This paragraph has precedence over rule 103 (Retroactive Effects)." [Hopefully this will stop the risk that anything could take precedence over rule 103 without anyone noticing.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3460 Proposal 3460 Aquamarine Rubber Bands Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) This is a modest proposal. Ammend rule 429 by replacing "Instead of" with "In addition to". [So treasure harfer gets a normal salary as well as an automatic sculpture.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:59:36 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3461 Proposal 3461 Uncomon sense Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley) [This is my failed CSR now in new improved proposal form. And I'm not even going to make it modest, so . In fact...] This is a grandiose proposal. In rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of Type Roulette Wheel) replace "Deterministic Method" with "Probabalistic Method" [As JT pointed out the runemaker could pick a card at its instance limit to just destroy the card] - ---- In rule 1240.17 (Otzma Card of type Arctic Explorer) replace the text "description[that is, an entity with the word "Ice Pick" in its name], then" with the text "description (that is, an entity with the word "Ice Pick" in its name), then". - ---- Renumber rule 845 (Map of the City ) to 846 Renmuber rule 844 (Here There Be Dragons) to 845 Renumber rule 1390.4 (Maps) to 844 - ---- Ammend rule 721 by replacing "a player to lose currency during the first three weeks of eir being a new player" with "a newbie to lose currency". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3462 Proposal 3462 Dancing With Danger Slakko (Duncan Richer) [Aim of this proposal: to make the use of Tammany interesting. Currently Tammany only makes one vote per proposal, at most. The main gist of this proposal is to change that to one vote for each bribing player. However, all votes are cast for the winning side, which makes for an interesting game. ] Amend the first sentence of Rule 315, "Tammany", to read as delimited by HAHA-below: HAHA Tammany is a unique entity capable of casting votes on proposals. HAHA Replace the text "Tammany's vote and all Tammany Bribes" in Rule 315 with "Tammany's votes and all Tammany Bribes". Amend Rule 315 by replacing the following UHOH-delimited text: UHOH Tammany shall vote YES on a Proposal if and only if the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of YES is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of NO plus twice the total amount of currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. Tammany shall vote NO on a Proposal if and only if the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of NO is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of YES plus twice the total amount of currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. UHOH with the following TROUBLE-delimited text: TROUBLE The number of votes Tammany casts on a proposal is equal to the number of valid Tammany bribes received for that proposal which were not disregarded. The votes cast by Tammany shall be YES votes if and only if the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of YES is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of NO plus twice the total amount of currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. The votes cast by Tammany shall be NO votes if and only if the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of NO is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of YES plus twice the total amount of currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. However, if Tammany does not vote YES or NO according to the preceding two paragraphs, then Tammany shall not cast any votes on that proposal. TROUBLE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Raiter Subject: Acka: Last proposals Slakko has pointed out to me (correctly) that else...if's membership in SPAM was not recorded properly in the last batch of proposals. This adds an extra YES vote to the following proposals: Proposal 3415 (12/17) Proposal 3416 (7/16) Proposal 3421 (13/17) Fortunately none of these proposals flip-flop as a result. I am going to add some more error-checking to my tabulation scripts before posting today's proposals; hopefully such mistakes will become less frequent. breadbox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3422 accepted Results of Proposal 3422 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 10/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted YES: Rig R. Mortis /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) Mr. Tambourine Man else...if (SPAM) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) JT (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz NO: K 2 (AVPP) rufus (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) BAA!: breadbox Vynd (Vulcan) Rex Mundi (Klingon) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3422 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 12:59 EDT > Still another Eleusis Fix > JT (JT Traub) > > This is a modest proposal. > {{[This fixes the problem with a player leaving the game and clarifies the > card count after a successful no play.]}} > > Amend rule 1250.23 (Eleusis) as follows: Amend section 5, part i, step 5 to > read as delimited by NOPLAY > NOPLAY > 5) If the play of 'No Play' was deemed correct then the player will be > privately dealt a new hand of cards with four fewer cards than in their > previous hand. Since there was no correct play, the number of cards played > in the round or during the current prophets tenure remains unchanged. > NOPLAY > > Amend section 8 by inserting the words 'or leaves the game' after the first > occurance of 'When a player goes inactive' and between the words 'inactive' > and 'without' in the phrase 'If a player goes inactive without appointing a > substitute'. > > {{Alfvaen gains 1 point, JT loses 1 point}} > {{Game 2 of Eleusis (and game 1 if it exists) continue under the newly > modified rules.}} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:39:37 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3423 rejected Results of Proposal 3423 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 8/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis /dev/joe (Vulcan) Robin Hood (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) JT (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz NO: breadbox Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) Rex Mundi (Klingon) rufus (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) BAA!: Alfvaen (MetaMorph) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3423 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:00 EDT > Basic needs > J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt) > > [This shifts some basic definitions into the 100's, where new players can > easily find them] > > Renumber Rule 370 (No E-mail, No Game) to 111. > Renumber Rule 380 (Time Zone) to 112. > Renumber Rule 230 (Random Things) to 113. > > [Is the following done automatically?] > Also change the references to these rules, so that they now point to the > new rule number instead of the old one for each of the three rules above. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: nomicbot Subject: Acka: Proposal 3424 rejected Results of Proposal 3424 16/25 votes: Quorum achieved 8/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected YES: Rig R. Mortis Robin Hood (AVPP) else...if (SPAM) Alfvaen (MetaMorph) JT (Boomerangs) Slakko (SPAM) J. M. Bear (MetaMorph) Piz NO: /dev/joe (Vulcan) breadbox Vynd (Vulcan) Mr. Tambourine Man K 2 (AVPP) rufus (SPAM) 867-5309 (Boomerangs) BAA!: Rex Mundi (Klingon) ABSTAINED: Calvin N Hobbes (Harf) Niccolo Flychuck (MetaMorph) ThinMan (Vulcan) IdiotBoy (AVPP) two-star Ethelred (AVPP) Publius Studge Memo VACATIONING: Attila the Pun (AVPP) Wild Card (SPAM) Ayla Horny Protoceratops Zaknafein Dourden PENDING: Memo > Proposal 3424 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:01 EDT > In the beginning, there were players > J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt) > > [Another attempt to make the basic rules easier to get for new players, by > including the player section in the 100's] > > Renumber Rule 250 (Players and Player States) to 150. > Renumber Rule 251 (Player Names) to 151. > Renumber Rule 251.1 (True Names) to 151.1. > Renumber Rule 252 (Joining the Game) to 152. > Renumber Rule 253 (Mentors) to 153. > Renumber Rule 254 (Leaving the Game) to 154. > Renumber Rule 257 (No Dead Players Allowed) to 157. > > Also change the references to these rules, so that they now point to the > new rule number instead of the old one for each of the seven rules above. ------------------------------ End of acka-voting-digest V3 #133 *********************************