acka-research Digest Saturday, January 23 1999 Volume 04 : Issue 019 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K 2 Subject: Re: RFC: Acka: My thoughts on Voting Variability Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:58:15 -0500 (EST) Towsner wrote: > I don't think that's a good reason. I don't want Manna to be > tradeable because you have big ambitions for it:) > > Maybe when Manna gobbles A$ and points, making it tradeable would > work. At the moment though, a player could effectively spend more than 300 > Manna on a single proposal, which is unbalanced. As the RFC stands now, > Manna should not be tradeable. Point taken... One step at a time.... today Manna tomorrow dictator for life :) K 2 ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: RFC: Acka: My thoughts on Voting Variability Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:06:16 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, K 2 wrote: >Technically they wouldn't be Baa! votes anymore :) > >Yes I would expect an increase in reduced magnitude votes, such a >situation, however, will not adversely effect the acceptance of a >proposal (as in an anti-voting system) - that player would simply have >less effect. I would expect proposals which are controversial, harry or >interesting to generate higher votes and cause a greater drain on player >resources. I'm not convinced that is a good thing regardless. >In other words I don't see this as a problem. If Mannna accumulates too >rapidly the proposal income can always be reduced. Having read >else...if's message I think a reward system capped at 20 (1/5th of an >additional vote) and with no return for |votes| greater than 100, is a >Good Idea. I definately agree that a reduced reward for 'hoarding' is required, and I was there when Joe and else...if were discussing it. >> >If a player's Mannna drops below 0 as a result of step ii she has >> >committed the Evil Crime of Ballot Stuffing. >> >> Drop the Evil :) > >It was an allusion to Evil Ballot Stuffers actually - I could always >make it The Crime of Evil Ballot Stuffing :) Oh.. I recognized the allusion :) >*** >>From the time it is publicly pointed out that a player posses a negative >amount of Manna, until the MannnaKeeper reports that they are out of >debt, she may only cast votes between 60 and -60. >*** > >This wouldn't change votes already cst so a determined player could sink >further into debt before the rules enforced a more moderate spending >shceme :) Yes, I still don't like it however. >> I find this unclearly phrased. 'maximal' and 'minimal' are not really >> well defined, since you defined the range to be '300' to '-300' but >> 'standard votes' are 100 to -100? Which value (100 or 300) is used here? > >how about if it was re-phrased "the maximum possible proposal vote". I think you'd be better off phrasing it so that it was either 100 or -100, so that if we do get individual player voting levels, that player doesn't get undo value in hearings. >It is - see the first paragraph of R2-1. > >> >XI. {{All players have 0 Mannna.}} {{[Don't even think of Patent >> >> You use Mannna here and Manna elsewhere :) You might want to clear that >> up. > >I'm still waiting for a better name :) Heh. you should still use one or the other consistantly while describing it. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4034 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:07:40 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, K 2 wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, K 2 wrote: >> >You went to the Library after I invited Ackanomic to a Date there :) >> >> Oh right.. did that date occur? and if so, who was there :) > >According to my research: > >r-attila the farce Library (09 Jan 1999 03:37:32) >Red Barn Library (29 Nov 1998 00:27:15) >rufus Library (25 Nov 1998 22:02:10) >saaremaa Library (02 Oct 1998 18:04:23) >JT Library (11 Jan 1999 00:53:31) Well, I'm going to harf this date has having occured and the above people gaining honor unless someone can give me a good reason why the date didn't actually occur. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4034 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:13:18 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, JT wrote: > Well, I'm going to harf this date has having occured and the above people > gaining honor unless someone can give me a good reason why the date didn't > actually occur. I note that the date I invited Acka too was attended by only me (or potentially the entirity of Acka). -- Jonathan D. Amery, http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html ##### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. o__####### Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. \'####### Standing between the light and the dark, the candle and the flame. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4034 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:16:08 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Jonathan David Amery wrote: >On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, JT wrote: > >> Well, I'm going to harf this date has having occured and the above people >> gaining honor unless someone can give me a good reason why the date didn't >> actually occur. > > I note that the date I invited Acka too was attended by only me (or >potentially the entirity of Acka). Can you verify this? I tried to attend, but I couldn't connect. Each of the other two have been independantly verifiable, and while I admit that verification isn't required by the rules, it make it easier for me to harf it correctly :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ End of acka-research Digest V4 #19 **********************************