acka-research Digest Sunday, January 17 1999 Volume 04 : Issue 014 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: New Directions Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:44:49 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Mueller wrote: > At 11:34 AM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Now if we penalize being in debt by revoking voting rights, we have a vote > economy that also has the added benefits of being tied to all the other > things in the game. All other values being created by eir cost with > respect to voting. I oppose this. This is not just about the right to vote, which has always been considered fundamental. It is the responsibility of society to care for all of the individuals who are part of society. Niccolo Flychuck > > Also Bah votes will finally mean something: I'm not lazy (like abstainers), > but this is too boring to WASTE MONEY/VOTES on. > > Studge > > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ From: Mueller Subject: Re: Acka: New Directions Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:58:52 -0500 (EST) Niccolo Flychuck wrote: > >On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Mueller wrote: > >> At 11:34 AM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Now if we penalize being in debt by revoking voting rights, we have a vote >> economy that also has the added benefits of being tied to all the other >> things in the game. All other values being created by eir cost with >> respect to voting. > >I oppose this. This is not just about the right to vote, which has always >been considered fundamental. It is the responsibility of society to care >for all of the individuals who are part of society. > Do you mean you oppose the suffrage denying suggestion or the weak vote-tie-in-to-cash that P4009 represents? Studge ------------------------------ From: "Gavin Logan" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4011 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) >Proposal 4011 >Look what they've done to our game, Ma, >K 2 >Due: Sat Jan 23 00:20:37 1999 [snip-bang-wallop] >At its inception game two of Ackanomic shall have no >players. Surely this means that no one could join the game? Also, don't the initial rules include "There must always be one speaker"? Causing a paradox straight away? Or am I mad? Or is that a separate issue? O Olde Alpha? ------------------------------ From: Mueller Subject: First Contact (Berserker Version) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:45:18 -0500 (EST) As a new proposal I submit the following: --------------------------------------------- Create Rule 005 with the following MEETYOURNEIGHBOR delimited text. MEETYOURNEIGHBOR There exists a distinct outside world full of things which are not rule defined but nevertheless affect this game. Human beings are and have traditionally been such things. Other nomic games are these things as well when a system for their effects exists. This is a rule in the game of Ackanomic and Berserker Nomic. Moreover, it is the same rule in both nomics and changes in both places when either nomic changes this rule. Changes to this rule only occur when such changes have been reported in both nomics. MEETYOURNEIGHBOR ------------------------------ From: "Gavin M. Doig" Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4011 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:18:02 -0500 (EST) >>At its inception game two of Ackanomic shall have no >>players. > > >Surely this means that no one could join the game? Also, don't the initial >rules include "There must always be one speaker"? Causing a paradox straight >away? Or am I mad? Or is that a separate issue? > >O Olde Alpha? > I think so, yes; Huberted again. Yes (actually, "will always be"), in rule 102, I think (I can't find the initial rules on the web). Probably, although a CFJ might be difficult to arrange. Maybe diminished. Yes. The headers in your mail say yes. smallpox blanket. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4012 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:49:46 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 jtraub@dragoncat.net wrote: >Proposal 4012 > >II. Curse of Silence >EFFECT1 > >If Rule 4-4-1 exists and its title contains the word "Proposal", then >replace the word EFFECT1 in Rule 4-10 with the following sentence: This is odd since P 4013 defines rule 4-4-1, and thus it can never exist at the time that this proposal triggers. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ End of acka-research Digest V4 #14 **********************************