acka-research Digest Wednesday, December 09 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 292 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K 2 Subject: Acka: Rebel rousing Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:37:44 -0500 (EST) Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > >the following players have rebelliousness of on: > > > >JT > >K2 > >smallpox blanket > >Studge > >Trent > > > >and no others > > and thinman... my bad ThinMan changed eir rebelliousness to ON on muppetlabs. K 2 Trardy. I blame it on GSCLL : game state correction list lag. ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Acka: Proposal 3822 not null. Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:37:45 -0500 (EST) Rule 303 (Proposal and Rule Numbering) the abridged version: II. When a new rule is created by a proposal that specifies it should become part of a Rule Suite which exists it is added to the Rule Suite, Otherwise, the new rule is created as a member of the Miscellaneous Rule Suite. Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > and, of course, slakko was right, and this proposal is null. In fact, > because it is never added to the ruleset, MTM is NOT Emperor. > > >>Create a rule as a new member of the Governments Rule Suite with the title > >>"Government Type: Puppet Dictatorship" and the following LITHIUM-delimited > While this text succeeded in setting the current government of Ackanomic it had no effect on the current paradigm, the submitted is, however, the Emperor of Ackanomic. > >>{{ The current Government is set to Puppet Dictatorship, with the > >>submitter of this Proposal as Emperor of Ackanomic. [ Well, I've already > >>done it once. ] }} > >>LITHIUM ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Lists and such Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:37:48 -0500 (EST) JT wrote: > As you will note, I have submitted a prop that will allow me to gauge (as > IB (and breadbox) put it) the "Will of the People". I will wait until > after that proposal passes/fails before making any change to the list > subjects automatically. If it passes, I will abide by the "Will of the > People" on the issue of whether it should be added or not. and when it fails? K 2 pessimist > > > --JT > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: a wonderful discovery! Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:37:53 -0500 (EST) Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > > > >Treasure has other purposes. This does not. As I told you on IRC, when > >I first looked at this, I said, *WHY* would anyone EVER want one. There > >was only one possible reason.... scam. > > > > So, you would prefer players continue to do what /dev/joe, malenkai, K 2, Guilty as charged your honour - guilty no longer. Scam treasures are rather ineffectual now tho. k 2 > and I have done: you'd rather we destroy the harf and the fun value of > treasure by abusing the treasure rules than put something LESS effective in > to phase out the abuse > -- > Trent > > Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, > Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: JAM Purification Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:37:57 -0500 (EST) Rule 1006/2 When You Don't Get a Say Slakko (Duncan Richer) A player may not **denounce** an Organizational action which: 1) consists entirely of eir removal from that Organization unless there are only two members of the organisation. It doesn't happen yet. K 2 JT wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > >At 10:51 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>I suggest and approve that JAM expell two-star from it's ranks. > >> > > > >i approve this. IT happens... i think > > I believe it does as well. > > I suggest that temporarily JAM adopt a Communist Single Player membership > policy. I approve this suggestion. > > --JT > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: The Holiday Season Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:38:04 -0500 (EST) Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > At 02:54 AM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Seeing as it's getting near the holiday season, I request that every Ackan > >make a (reasonable) private request for a gift to them... and i'll do my > >very best to accomodate... > > > >I gave r-attila eir gift already > >I give JT an OC SYI, as eir gift. > > > that should be offer... OCs are not giftable Last time I checked they were very much giftible. K 2 ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:38:04 -0500 (EST) John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > > > Wild Card has been selected > > > > Call for Judgment 710 - Dec 7, 1998 > > Subject: Thrall Win > > Initiator: K 2 (sent Dec 7 1998, 7:12 Acka) > > Judge: Wild Card > > Judgement: > > > > Statement: > > K 2 has an Unclaimed Winning Condition by Rule 615 (Win By World > > Domination). > > Sigh. I knew it was too much to hope for that you would somehow lose > track of this. :) > > No offense to K 2, but what do people think of this whole winning by > enthrallment business? This win attempt stemmed solely from a conversation with JT on IRC. E thought it unlikely that anyone would every win by thrall. Not one to resist such a challenge I read the rule... and lo for I realized that given the current lack of interest all I needed was to pass 16 odd proposals... so I did. > Hardly anyone seems to bother with the whole > potential enthrallments for proposals thing. Hardly surprising, really, > since with any competition you would have to keep up a pretty steady > stream of proposals to stand any chance of accumulating many thralls. Even > out of those few players who do make lots of proposals, only a few seem to > be enthralling people. With hardly any competition going on, it seems to > me that accumulating thralls is downright easy. Yep. > I'm thinking that as a > cycle winning condition, this system isn't very good. We should either > make it harder to acquire (although perhaps easier to keep) thralls, or > find some other kind of reward for being an Overlord. > > > Vynd > > jmccoy@umich.edu ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Acka: Cycle 29 & 30 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:38:06 -0500 (EST) Scores at the end of cycle 29 were: Score Ackanomic Name Status Real Name ----- -------------- 1234 ------------- 83 K 2 Vg (Kelly Kelly) 51 JT V (JT Traub) 45 Trent V (Gabriel Drummond-Cole) 42 /dev/joe V (Joseph DeVincentis) 41 else…if V (Henry Towsner) 41 Alfvaen V (Aaron Humphrey) 41 MTM. N (Eric Plumb) 31 ThinMan V (John Bollinger) 31 Vynd V (John McCoy) 30 Euphrates P (James McGregor) 29 smallpox blanket V (Gavin Doig) 28 rSiE V (Gavin Logan) 27 Slakko V (Duncan Richer) 23 Robin Hood V (Robert Shaw) 14 Studge V (Tom Meuller) 7 Jenny V (Tom Walmsley) 4 Wild Card V (Jonathan David Amery) 2 r-attila the farce V (Bryan Federico) 1 IdiotBoy V (Matt Miller) 0 two-star V (Alexandre Muniz) 0 Niccolo Flychuck V (Uri Bruck) 0 Calvin N Hobbes V (Thierry Joffrain) 0 Fortunato V (Aaron Keesler) 0 Robert Sevin N (Mitchell Harding) 0 404 Not Found N (Joel Ricker) -10 rufus V (David Scheidt) -10 Danek P (Bill Palmer) there were no taxes. Cycle 30 was too brief for any scoring so I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what the scores were. K 2 ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 692 (/dev/cortex) (TRUE) (upheld) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > /dev/cortex has ruled this TRUE and fined the appellant 2 points > > Call for Judgement 692 - November 9, 1998 > Subject: Happy Number Determination > Initiator: Alfvaen (sent 9 Nov 1998, 22:31 Acka) > Judge: Wild Card (chosen 12 Nov 1998, 05:40 Acka) > Judgement: TRUE (promulgated 15 Nov 1998, 11:56 Acka) > Appellant: Pol Pot > Cortex: /dev/cortex (/dev/joe and Gromit) > Judgement: TRUE (upheld) > > Statement: > > The Happy Number is 105. I line with this verdict the following things have benn rectified: Trent did not gain a Scroll of Crumble on 29 Oct 1998 02:59:24. Trent did not gain a Otzma Card Share My Expences on 4 Oct 1998 19:34:28 - destroyed it any way. JT did not failed to gain anything from eir attempt anyway. I have also corrected the final scores for cycle 28 which were in fact: 175 Trent V (Gabriel Drummond-Cole) 125 JT V (JT Traub) 125 K 2 Vg (Kelly Kelly) 86 ThinMan V (John Bollinger) 85 Vynd V (John McCoy) 84 Jenny V (Tom Walmsley) 74 /dev/joe V (Joseph DeVincentis) 74 else…if V (Henry Towsner) 71 Alfvaen V (Aaron Humphrey) 61 rSiE V (Gavin Logan) 59 Euphrates P (James McGregor) 54 Robin Hood V (Robert Shaw) 52 Slakko V (Duncan Richer) 51 smallpox blanket V (Gavin Doig) 45 Niccolo Flychuck V (Uri Bruck) 38 r-attila the farce V (Bryan Federico) 34 Wild Card V (Jonathan David Amery) 21 two-star V (Alexandre Muniz) 12 Studge V (Tom Meuller) 1 Calvin N Hobbes V (Thierry Joffrain) 1 Fortunato V (Aaron Keesler) 1 Robert Sevin N (Mitchell Harding) 1 rufus N (David Scheidt) 1 404 Not Found N (Joel Ricker) 1 Danek P (Bill Palmer) 1 scout P (Erin Taylor ) 1 Ballot Stuffer V (Daniel Knapp) 0 Blarney P (Jonathon Abrams) 0 Ethelred V (David Kenning) 0 bacon P (Mark Sangster) 0 saaremaa N (Randy Hall) -11 IdiotBoy V (Matt Miller) -18 MTM. N (Eric Plumb) Appropriate adjustments have been made to EOC pay and goose egg ownership. K 2 ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Lists and such Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:04:00 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, K 2 wrote: >JT wrote: > >> As you will note, I have submitted a prop that will allow me to gauge (as >> IB (and breadbox) put it) the "Will of the People". I will wait until >> after that proposal passes/fails before making any change to the list >> subjects automatically. If it passes, I will abide by the "Will of the >> People" on the issue of whether it should be added or not. > >and when it fails? The reaction I had was about 50/50 from the people who replied to me. Most of the people who said no had concerns which I felt I addressed, but which they never responded to my question of whether I had addressed them or not. So I hadn't made up my mind if it failed. I'm hoping it won't since this seems to be a useful way to garner public opinion. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:04:36 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, K 2 wrote: > John Frederic Mc Coy wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > > > Wild Card has been selected > > > Call for Judgment 710 - Dec 7, 1998 > > > Subject: Thrall Win > > > Initiator: K 2 (sent Dec 7 1998, 7:12 Acka) > > > Judge: Wild Card > > > Judgement: > > > > > > Statement: > > > K 2 has an Unclaimed Winning Condition by Rule 615 (Win By World > > > Domination). > > Sigh. I knew it was too much to hope for that you would somehow lose > > track of this. :) > > No offense to K 2, but what do people think of this whole winning by > > enthrallment business? > This win attempt stemmed solely from a conversation with JT on IRC. E thought > it unlikely that anyone would every win by thrall. Not one to resist such a > challenge I read the rule... and lo for I realized that given the current lack > of interest all I needed was to pass 16 odd proposals... so I did. Since everyone seems to be agreed, and I still don't know who the CotC is I judge this true with reasoning "Consensus." Incidently, how close am I to a BT? -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:12:04 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > Since everyone seems to be agreed, and I still don't know who the CotC is >I judge this true with reasoning "Consensus." The Acting CotC is Trent. > Incidently, how close am I to a BT? Ummm you weren't ultra close when I did a scan recently to see who needed to be awarded Stripes and BTs, but I don't recall the actual number off hand. I suspect that Acting CotC Trent will be able to supply you with the information shortly :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:15:03 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, JT wrote: >On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: >> Since everyone seems to be agreed, and I still don't know who the CotC is >>I judge this true with reasoning "Consensus." > >The Acting CotC is Trent. It would also probably help if you rendered your judgement somewhere other than on acka-research :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 710 (Wild Card) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:37:30 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, JT wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, JT wrote: > >On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > >> Since everyone seems to be agreed, and I still don't know who the CotC is > >>I judge this true with reasoning "Consensus." > >The Acting CotC is Trent. > It would also probably help if you rendered your judgement somewhere other > than on acka-research :) Actually, it wouldn't. So long as /Trent/ recieves is (and I assume he subscribes to a-r) thats fine. Oh, and the Torch question was because I seem to have been judging a lot of these CFJs recently... -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3822 not null. Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:35:13 -0500 (EST) > >While this text succeeded in setting the current government of Ackanomic it had >no effect on the current paradigm, the submitted is, however, the Emperor of >Ackanomic. > >> >>{{ The current Government is set to Puppet Dictatorship, with the >> >>submitter of this Proposal as Emperor of Ackanomic. [ Well, I've already >> >>done it once. ] }} >> >>LITHIUM > WRONG. notice where the delimiter appears. That was supposed to be added to the ruleset as part of a rule. When the delimited text failed to be inserted, the self deleting text failed to be inserted. -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: The Holiday Season Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:37:41 -0500 (EST) >> > >> that should be offer... OCs are not giftable > >Last time I checked they were very much giftible. my bad -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3822 not null. Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:48:02 -0500 (EST) At 03:35 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>While this text succeeded in setting the current government of Ackanomic >it had >>no effect on the current paradigm, the submitted is, however, the Emperor of >>Ackanomic. >> >>> >>{{ The current Government is set to Puppet Dictatorship, with the >>> >>submitter of this Proposal as Emperor of Ackanomic. [ Well, I've already >>> >>done it once. ] }} >>> >>LITHIUM >> > > >WRONG. > >notice where the delimiter appears. That was supposed to be added to the >ruleset as part of a rule. When the delimited text failed to be inserted, >the self deleting text failed to be inserted. I smack myself over the head with a copy of the rules and apologize to K2 -- Trent Acting CotC, Acting Map-Harfer, Acting Thrallmaster, Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: Redo of entities Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:17:04 -0500 (EST) It's already been demonstrated that there are some problems with the current entity system. Besides the issues created by the separation of Corporations from Organizations, the rule describing trades has proven to be completely out of line with intent and practice. Given that a hierarchical ruleset seems around the corner, I am suggesting that the entity rules be rewritten in a more modular way. Under this system, there would Entities, just as there are currently. Entities would be divided into Unownable and Ownable, Ownable into Nontradeable and Tradeable, and Tradeable into Nongiftable and Giftable. This would be the main hierarchy of entities, sort of a backbone. Some Entities, no matter which of these catagories they belonged to, would be Named Entities, which would be able to own other Entities. Some Named Entities would be Trading, and some Named Entities would be Intelligent (the first new term so far). Some Ownable Entities would be Operable. Operable Entities would be ones which have some sort of action associated with them, such as Bonus Votes, Shares, Gadgets, and Corporate Powers. Only Intelligent Entities would be allowed to Operate them, although some might have additional limits on ownership. Players not On-Ice and Corporations would be the only Intelligent Entities currently. This would allow the Corporation rules to be much more concise (It is a privaleged motion to Operate an owned Entity), and be much easier to change later on. Under this system, as little as possible would be written in terms of specific Entities. Instead the catagories would be used. The rules could also be reorganized in terms of the main heirarchy, making them much easier to navigate. Comments? Volonteers to actually write it? -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Redo of entities Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:28:19 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Towsner wrote: >of specific Entities. Instead the catagories would be used. The rules >could also be reorganized in terms of the main heirarchy, making them much >easier to navigate. > Comments? Volonteers to actually write it? Seems good.. Needs a concept of unique entities. I will volunteer to actually craft something. I will endeavor to take into account all of the current proposals in the queue at the time I do it so that nothing breaks. Anyone else who is interested, please let me know. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Museum Bonus Vote Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) I meant Jenny (aka TEFKA MTM ;) the player with the real/true name of Tom Walmsley. K 2 Tom Walmsley wrote: > K 2 wrote: > > > Jenny (aka TEFKA Hubert) recieves this months door prize. It also occours tome that I did do > > last months door prize, the recipent of which was ThinMan. > > With apologies for the confusion could you just clarify who this is? I'm Jenny; the player with > the real name Eric Plumb used to be called Hubert (no, not two-star). Which one of us is it? > > Jenny. > > -- > Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net > http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html > AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 > Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ End of acka-research Digest V3 #292 ***********************************