acka-research Digest Saturday, November 28 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 282 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: A New Go'vt Type Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:50:18 -0500 (EST) Matt Miller wrote: > > If you're looking for a new government type to design in a proposal, > here's an idea for one: > > Slow Sure Change. > > Jist: Exactly one proposal passes everyday. > > Execution: > > - There's deterministic way of choosing a rule change which happens if no > other proposal passes that day. (Latest rule added to the ruleset is > removed, etc.) > > - If more than one proposal passes, pick a method for determining > preference. Yes, I know if has been show that it's impossible, pick a way. > > Net result: In one day only one "set" of rule changes takes place. I like it :) K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends (23rd November) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:54:39 -0500 (EST) The Score changes over the virtual fortnight ending at noon on the 23rd of november were as follows: Score Ackanomic Name Status Real Name ----- -------------- 1234 ------------- 10 smallpox blanket V (Gavin Doig) 10 /dev/joe V (Joseph DeVincentis) 10 Thomas Jute V (Tom Meuller) 10 ThinMan V (John Bollinger) 10 Calvin N Hobbes V (Thierry Joffrain) 10 r-attila the farce V (Bryan Federico) 10 Blarney P (Jonathon Abrams) 10 Robin Hood V (Robert Shaw) 10 Ethelred V (David Kenning) 10 JT V (JT Traub) 9 Wild Card V (Jonathan David Amery) 9 IdiotBoy V (Matt Miller) 9 Alfvaen V (Aaron Humphrey) 8 Slakko V (Duncan Richer) 8 else…if V (Henry Towsner) 7 Vynd V (John McCoy) 2 Fortunato V (Aaron Keesler) 2 sIRE V (Gavin Logan) 0 Robert Sevin N (Mitchell Harding) 0 rufus V (David Scheidt) 0 Gromit V (Tom Walmsley) 0 404 Not Found N (Joel Ricker) 0 bacon P (Mark Sangster) 0 The Green Ripper N (Eric Plumb) 0 saaremaa N (Randy Hall) 0 two-star V (Alexandre Muniz) 0 Euphrates P (James McGregor) 0 Danek P (Bill Palmer) 0 scout P (Erin Taylor ) 0 Red Barn V (Daniel Knapp) -2 K 2 V (Kelly Kelly) -3 Niccolo Flychuck V (Uri Bruck) -10 Pol Pot V (Gabriel Drummond-Cole) >From which Fortnightly dividends were calculated. K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Acka: Taxes Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:54:43 -0500 (EST) The end of cycle taxes were as follows: Entity Name Entity Total Tax Class Wealth ------------------------------------------------------ The Church of Azpiazu Church 1 1 The Church of banna Church 5 1 The Church of Odo on the Wormhole Church 183 19 HARF Party 138 14 The Razor Boomerangs Party 180 18 Vulcan Party 240 24 Anti-Voting Preservationist Party Party 428 43 MetaMorph Party 682 69 else…if Player 20 2 r-attila the farce Player 157 16 Red Barn Player 176 18 404 Not Found Player 270 27 rufus Player 319 32 ThinMan Player 330 33 Slakko Player 334 34 Niccolo Flychuck Player 337 34 Calvin N Hobbes Player 353 36 IdiotBoy Player 386 39 saaremaa Player 395 40 Fortunato Player 412 42 Blarney Player 447 45 Robert Sevin Player 458 46 smallpox blanket Player 460 46 Vynd Player 467 47 Robin Hood Player 471 48 Aunt Froot Player 474 48 Jenny Player 487 49 MTM. Player 488 49 two-star Player 567 57 K 2 Player 635 64 sIRE Player 698 70 Euphrates Player 749 75 Danek Player 758 76 scout Player 758 76 Alfvaen Player 969 97 Studge Player 4857 486 Shell#10 Society 22 3 The Moral Kiosk Society 22 3 SHEEP Society 92 10 Mad Hatters Society 129 13 The Twits Society 311 32 mr cwm Undead 134 14 Mr. Lunatic Fringe Undead 217 22 this is not a name Undead 241 25 Brinjal Undead 267 27 Bascule Undead 316 32 J. M. Bear Undead 430 43 Memo Undead 453 46 Chaos Undead 554 56 Piz Undead 581 59 marsboy Undead 611 62 Rig R. Mortis Undead 777 78 breadbox Undead 1337 134 Guy Fawkes Undead 2062 207 The end of cycle commie tax: All recipients marked "Undead" fail to receive anything due to rule 205: "Players who are On Ice never gain or lose points, nor do they ever gain entities." /dev/joe had a negative balance due to the following clause in rule 1209: "The player whose post was considered then forfeits the sum of A$ associated with eir post.". Forfeits indicating an _involuntary_ expense. I note that when e made the bid e did have enough A$. Recipient Total Donor Total Donation Wealth Wealth --------------------------------------------------------- else…if Player 18 Studge 4371 219 mr cwm Undead 120 Guy Fawkes 1855 93 r-attila the fa Player 141 breadbox 1203 61 Red Barn Player 158 JT 1317 66 Mr. Lunatic Fri Undead 195 Alfvaen 872 44 this is not a n Undead 216 Rig R. Mort 699 35 Brinjal Undead 240 Danek 682 35 404 Not Found Player 243 scout 682 35 Bascule Undead 284 Euphrates 674 34 rufus Player 287 sIRE 628 32 ThinMan Player 297 MetaMorph 613 31 Slakko Player 300 K 2 571 29 Niccolo Flychuc Player 303 marsboy 549 28 Calvin N Hobbes Player 317 Piz 522 27 IdiotBoy Player 347 two-star 510 26 saaremaa Player 355 Chaos 498 25 Fortunato Player 370 MTM. 439 22 J. M. Bear Undead 387 Jenny 438 22 Memo Undead 402 Aunt Froot 426 22 Robert Sevin Player 407 Robin Hood 423 22 smallpox blanke Player 414 Vynd 420 21 K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Acka: End of Cycle Pay Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:54:45 -0500 (EST) At the end of the cycle scores were as follows: Score Ackanomic Name Status Real Name ----- -------------- 1234 ------------- 10 smallpox blanket V (Gavin Doig) 10 /dev/joe V (Joseph DeVincentis) 10 Thomas Jute V (Tom Meuller) 10 ThinMan V (John Bollinger) 10 Calvin N Hobbes V (Thierry Joffrain) 10 r-attila the farce V (Bryan Federico) 10 Blarney P (Jonathon Abrams) 10 Robin Hood V (Robert Shaw) 10 Ethelred V (David Kenning) 9 Wild Card V (Jonathan David Amery) 9 IdiotBoy V (Matt Miller) 9 Alfvaen V (Aaron Humphrey) 8 JT V (JT Traub) 8 Slakko V (Duncan Richer) 7 Vynd V (John McCoy) 6 else…if V (Henry Towsner) 2 Fortunato V (Aaron Keesler) 2 sIRE V (Gavin Logan) 0 Robert Sevin N (Mitchell Harding) 0 rufus V (David Scheidt) 0 Gromit V (Tom Walmsley) 0 404 Not Found N (Joel Ricker) 0 bacon P (Mark Sangster) 0 The Green Ripper N (Eric Plumb) 0 saaremaa N (Randy Hall) 0 two-star V (Alexandre Muniz) 0 Euphrates P (James McGregor) 0 Danek P (Bill Palmer) 0 scout P (Erin Taylor ) 0 Red Barn V (Daniel Knapp) 0 K 2 (Kelly Kelly) -3 Niccolo Flychuck V (Uri Bruck) -12 Pol Pot V (Gabriel Drummond-Cole) GooseEggs/EOCP were calculated accordingly. K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: Taxes Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:58:08 -0500 (EST) Kelly Hubert Kelly wrote: >Entity Name Entity Total Tax > Class Wealth >------------------------------------------------------ > Studge Player 4857 486 > Recipient Total Donor Total Donation > Wealth Wealth > --------------------------------------------------------- > else…if Player 18 Studge 4371 219 This of course is in the tread that Pol Pot destroyed the alice trinket in. In the tread were e didn't Pol Pot had A$14 less to give Studge with resultant effects. K 2 ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Taxes Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:01:42 -0500 (EST) what about me? I'm nowhere on here. Was I negative? At 11:54 AM 11/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >The end of cycle taxes were as follows: > >Entity Name Entity Total Tax > Class Wealth >------------------------------------------------------ >The Church of Azpiazu Church 1 1 >The Church of banna Church 5 1 >The Church of Odo on the Wormhole Church 183 19 > >HARF Party 138 14 >The Razor Boomerangs Party 180 18 >Vulcan Party 240 24 >Anti-Voting Preservationist Party Party 428 43 >MetaMorph Party 682 69 > >else…if Player 20 2 >r-attila the farce Player 157 16 >Red Barn Player 176 18 >404 Not Found Player 270 27 >rufus Player 319 32 >ThinMan Player 330 33 >Slakko Player 334 34 >Niccolo Flychuck Player 337 34 >Calvin N Hobbes Player 353 36 >IdiotBoy Player 386 39 >saaremaa Player 395 40 >Fortunato Player 412 42 >Blarney Player 447 45 >Robert Sevin Player 458 46 >smallpox blanket Player 460 46 >Vynd Player 467 47 >Robin Hood Player 471 48 >Aunt Froot Player 474 48 >Jenny Player 487 49 >MTM. Player 488 49 >two-star Player 567 57 >K 2 Player 635 64 >sIRE Player 698 70 >Euphrates Player 749 75 >Danek Player 758 76 >scout Player 758 76 >Alfvaen Player 969 97 >Studge Player 4857 486 > >Shell#10 Society 22 3 >The Moral Kiosk Society 22 3 >SHEEP Society 92 10 >Mad Hatters Society 129 13 >The Twits Society 311 32 > >mr cwm Undead 134 14 >Mr. Lunatic Fringe Undead 217 22 >this is not a name Undead 241 25 >Brinjal Undead 267 27 >Bascule Undead 316 32 >J. M. Bear Undead 430 43 >Memo Undead 453 46 >Chaos Undead 554 56 >Piz Undead 581 59 >marsboy Undead 611 62 >Rig R. Mortis Undead 777 78 >breadbox Undead 1337 134 >Guy Fawkes Undead 2062 207 > > >The end of cycle commie tax: > >All recipients marked "Undead" fail to receive anything due to rule 205: >"Players who are On Ice never gain or lose points, nor do they ever gain >entities." > >/dev/joe had a negative balance due to the following clause in rule >1209: "The player whose post was considered then forfeits the sum of A$ >associated with eir post.". Forfeits indicating an _involuntary_ >expense. I note that when e made the bid e did have enough A$. > >Recipient Total Donor Total Donation > Wealth Wealth >--------------------------------------------------------- >else…if Player 18 Studge 4371 219 >mr cwm Undead 120 Guy Fawkes 1855 93 >r-attila the fa Player 141 breadbox 1203 61 >Red Barn Player 158 JT 1317 66 >Mr. Lunatic Fri Undead 195 Alfvaen 872 44 >this is not a n Undead 216 Rig R. Mort 699 35 >Brinjal Undead 240 Danek 682 35 >404 Not Found Player 243 scout 682 35 >Bascule Undead 284 Euphrates 674 34 >rufus Player 287 sIRE 628 32 >ThinMan Player 297 MetaMorph 613 31 >Slakko Player 300 K 2 571 29 >Niccolo Flychuc Player 303 marsboy 549 28 >Calvin N Hobbes Player 317 Piz 522 27 >IdiotBoy Player 347 two-star 510 26 >saaremaa Player 355 Chaos 498 25 >Fortunato Player 370 MTM. 439 22 >J. M. Bear Undead 387 Jenny 438 22 >Memo Undead 402 Aunt Froot 426 22 >Robert Sevin Player 407 Robin Hood 423 22 >smallpox blanke Player 414 Vynd 420 21 > > > >K 2 > -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3756 accepted Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:02:27 -0500 (EST) > >Proposal 3756 > >Who's got the fish? > >ThinMan > >Due: Fri Nov 27 12:15:02 1998 Currently two threads exist: PolPot 1) Pol Pot destroyed the trinket: Studge had a Total Wealth of A$4857 at tax time and paid A$486 tax. TMbAtWaC had a Total Wealth of A$0. Pol Pot currently has A$4126. TMbAtWaC had A$0 when it disbanded. 2) Pol Pot gave the trinket to JAM: Studge had a Total Wealth of A$4840 at tax time and paid A$484 tax. TMbAtWaC had a Total Wealth of A$17 at tax time and paid A$2 tax. Pol Pot currently has A$4128. TMbAtWaC had A$-2 when it disbanded. In order to cause the threads to merge I suggest the following action be taken: Pol Pot gives A$2 to the treasury *if* TMbAtWaC had A$-2 when it disbanded. K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: Taxes Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:19:23 -0500 (EST) Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote: > > what about me? I'm nowhere on here. Was I negative? you were 0. K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: Attn Org-Harfer Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:37:33 -0500 (EST) > > The whole thing about that is that it is impossible for me to make that > > determination because it is constantly in flux. It is not random. > > So therefore no, the OiCoRT may not make such a determination for you. > > I'm sorry. (the trinket was destroyed by proposal anyway) > > > > --JT > > The org policy was in a particular state when the action was attempted, > it wasn't both - it was one or the other. The fact that it is filp > flopping one instant to the next doesn't mean it doesn't have a state at > a particular instant... > > K 2 Since Pol pot didn't specify the instant during which e was performing the action, it seams reasonable to select one randomly from a choic of two disticnt types... K 2 ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: Taxes Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:43:24 -0500 (EST) Kelly Hubert Kelly wrote: Pol Pot found an unharfed transaction which causes the following to occour: Tax Pol Pot Player 2 1 > Recipient Total Donor Total Donation > Wealth Wealth > --------------------------------------------------------- * Move this column down one * and insert Pol Pot Here: * Pol Pot Player 1 > else…if Player 18 Studge 4371 219 > mr cwm Undead 120 Guy Fawkes 1855 93 > r-attila the fa Player 141 breadbox 1203 61 > Red Barn Player 158 JT 1317 66 > Mr. Lunatic Fri Undead 195 Alfvaen 872 44 > this is not a n Undead 216 Rig R. Mort 699 35 > Brinjal Undead 240 Danek 682 35 > 404 Not Found Player 243 scout 682 35 > Bascule Undead 284 Euphrates 674 34 > rufus Player 287 sIRE 628 32 > ThinMan Player 297 MetaMorph 613 31 > Slakko Player 300 K 2 571 29 > Niccolo Flychuc Player 303 marsboy 549 28 > Calvin N Hobbes Player 317 Piz 522 27 > IdiotBoy Player 347 two-star 510 26 > saaremaa Player 355 Chaos 498 25 > Fortunato Player 370 MTM. 439 22 > J. M. Bear Undead 387 Jenny 438 22 > Memo Undead 402 Aunt Froot 426 22 > Robert Sevin Player 407 Robin Hood 423 22 *smallpox blanket drops off Vynd 420 21 *the bottom: > smallpox blanke Player 414 K 2 ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3827 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:58:45 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu wrote: >Proposal 3827 >More like a Cyclone less like the Cayman Islands >K 2 >Due: Sat Dec 5 16:03:36 1998 > > >Replace subsection iii of Section e of Rule 666 (End of Cycle) which >currently reads: >" >ii) The entity appearing highest on The List, shall transfer 5% of eir >total wealth to the player lowest on The List and both entities shall be >removed from The List. >" >with: >" >iii) A random entity appearing in the first half of The List, shall >transfer 5% of eir total wealth to the active player lowest on The List >and both entities shall be removed from The List. >" I will vote against this unless K 2 fixes this so that the financier makes the determination here :) (I'm not adverse to the idea, merely the implementation.) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: A streaky Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:09:44 -0500 (EST) I see my lacky ;) has announced the chrome streak already. Rule 205 seems to say its my duty to announce it so... I nnounce the following quoted text :) JT wrote: > > The streak that began with proposal 3735 and ended with proposal 3754 > contained 17 accepted proposals (since 3742 and 3752 was retracted). > > Barring no other missed retractions (I just did a check), the following > occurs. > > The Brass Monkey climbs to the top of the tallest building in Acka (Vulcan > Headquarters I believe), and proclaims "The makers of the Chrome Streak > shall be awarded 5 bonus points!" > > The following players contributed to the Chrome Streak > JT - 5 props (15 points) > Pol Pot - 11 props (15 points) > /dev/joe - 1 props (5 points) > > I also note that Pol Pot hereby earns a Stilton for 10 proposals in a row > accepted. > > --JT > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hubert Kelly Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3829 - it not fatal; really :) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:20:05 -0500 (EST) devjoe@wilma.che.utexas.edu wrote: > 3.2 replacing the following text: > " > (iii) to track the membership of each of the Castes [See rule 1030]. > " > with: > " > " > (iii) to assign players to Castes and track the membership of each of > the Castes [See rule 1030]. > " > > {{[Essentially random determinations effecting the things they track - > The DM does get paid now after all :)]}} R340: Delimiters do not nest, except when the double quote character is used as a delimiter. The net result will be that section (iii) has "" around it..... K 2 ------------------------------ End of acka-research Digest V3 #282 ***********************************