From: owner-acka-research-digest@muppetlabs.com (acka-research-digest) To: acka-research-digest@muppetlabs.com Subject: acka-research-digest V3 #179 Reply-To: acka-research@muppetlabs.com Sender: owner-acka-research-digest@muppetlabs.com Errors-To: owner-acka-research-digest@muppetlabs.com Precedence: bulk acka-research-digest Thursday, August 6 1998 Volume 03 : Number 179 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: alfvaen@telusplanet.net (Aaron V. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Acka: PayDay > 3/08/98 12:00 A$ Brie Clump -18; Feed For The Chartreuse Goose Also, I missed this before, but doesn't Rex Mundi have the Goose? I seem to recall someone having read the Ancient One page of the Ackanomicon, and I have Rex Mundi down on my scores page... - -- - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) Current Album--Julee Cruise:The Voice of Love Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End I have a learner's permit to kill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Ray Subject: Re: acka : Yet Another New Order On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Uri Bruck wrote: > I can imagine a Promoter posting a price list with prices for Modest > proposals, for normal ones, and for Grandiose ones. With specials offers > on bunches of proposals, and partial refunds on streaks, no refund for > retractions policy, etc. > > Niccolo Flychuck > > For that matter, the Promoter could even charge a fee based on prompt service -- For example, he puts up a routine batch every Monday -- for the normal fee, you get yours posted with that batch. For a higher fee, it gets posted within three days, but also in a batch. For a still higher fee, it gets posted all by itself, as the only posting that Promoter makes that day. The Promoter could also charge a fee to shill for the proposal.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Uri Bruck Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3374 Why? Churches are the more interesting Organizations we have. Niccolo Flychuck On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, nomicbot wrote: > Proposal 3374 > Repeal 3 > Brie Clump (Tom Walmsley) > > This is a modest proposal. > > Repeal rule 1301 (Church) > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 03:31:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernard El-Hagin Subject: Re: Long proposals Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I'm trying to e-mail my mentor (was Brie Clump, but I'm just about lost at this point) and my mail to him keeps bouncing back. Can you contact me please? I don't know why my mail to you bounces since I get your mail on the lists, but there you go. Cheers, Rig R. Mortis "I hope life is not a big joke, because I don't get it." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 03:41:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Duncan Richer Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3333 accepted On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, nomicbot wrote: > Results of Proposal 3333 > > 17/22 votes: Quorum achieved > 14/22 YES votes: Proposal accepted > > YES: > Tammany [JT bribed Tammany A$25] > [Brie Clump bribed Tammany A$112 (YES)] Ummmm... Tammany bribes must be at most A$100. Just as well for you that JT bribed as well. - -- Duncan C. "" Richer aka Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: PayDay K2 wrote: > 3/08/98 12:00 A$ Brie Clump -18; Feed For The Chartreuse Goose This was infact A$ 25 K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Leaving Gavin M. Doig wrote: > I suggest that Klingon transfer 20 A$ to me. I approve of this. easily harfed :) > I suggest that anyone who wishes to join a political party in favour of > anti-voting could join Klingon. I approve of this suggestion as well. Not so sure how to harf this.... Open membership policy? K 2 > > > Rex Mundi. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proxy Eric Plumb wrote: > In this case, I offer A$7 to the player who may legally assume the > Ackanomic name Mr. Tambourine Man in exchange for an Otzma Card of type > Lay Off!. Not on research you won't :) K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3329 rejected Strange, this is how it was before saaremaa's Player status proposal.... guess it was too small to be non-modest (even accedently). K 2 nomicbot wrote: > Results of Proposal 3329 > 7/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected > > > g) All of their mimsy entities are transferred to the treasury. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Acka: Re: Long proposals >Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I'm trying to e-mail my >mentor (was Brie Clump, but I'm just about lost at this point) and my >mail to him keeps bouncing back. Can you contact me please? I don't >know why my mail to you bounces since I get your mail on the lists, >but there you go. Yes, that reminds me, I tried to get in touch with you and my mail bounced. Any chance of giving us @ackanomic.org addresses IdiotBoy? For now if you have any questions then I'm sure that people wouldn't mind you asking them on the main list (or probably the acka-research list). Failing that as Speaker and Registrar JT (jtraub@dragoncat.net) is also obliged bt the rules to answer your questions. I'll see what I can do to get in contact with you anyway. BTW, my current name is Mr. Tambourine Man. MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3374 >Why? >Churches are the more interesting Organizations we have. At the moment I don't feel that there is a sufficiently big difference between Churches and Societies to warrant a different structure. MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernard El-Hagin Subject: Useless newbie bugging acka-research On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote: > Yes, that reminds me, I tried to get in touch with you and my mail bounced. > Any chance of giving us @ackanomic.org addresses IdiotBoy? For now if you > have any questions then I'm sure that people wouldn't mind you asking them > on the main list (or probably the acka-research list). Failing that as > Speaker and Registrar JT (jtraub@dragoncat.net) is also obliged bt the > rules to answer your questions. I'll see what I can do to get in contact > with you anyway. > > BTW, my current name is Mr. Tambourine Man. This is really wierd. You're the only one I'm having this trouble with. Anyway, to recap what I mailed you about: 1) In an attempt to suck up to a veteran player I mentioned what an honor it was to be your mentee, 2) I also asked you how I was supposed to tell if a given proposal was good or bad not knowing how it could effect the game (too many rules to read at once), 3) Finally, in an attempt at wit I mentioned something about cheese which I've forgotten by now. It was most probably quite pointless and unharfy so no loss there. There was probably something more (and I wouldn't be surprised if there was also something less), but my memory isn't what it...hmmm...ummm...what was I talking about? Cheers, Rig R. Mortis "I hope life is not a big joke, because I don't get it." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: Acka: Re: Long proposals On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote: > >Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I'm trying to e-mail my > >mentor (was Brie Clump, but I'm just about lost at this point) and my > >mail to him keeps bouncing back. Can you contact me please? I don't > >know why my mail to you bounces since I get your mail on the lists, > >but there you go. > > Yes, that reminds me, I tried to get in touch with you and my mail bounced. > Any chance of giving us @ackanomic.org addresses IdiotBoy? For now if you Sure.. tell me what you want. That goes for all of you! BTW, Internic is yanking me around trying to scam $100 instead of the $70 i agreed to.. so ackanomic.org might disappear for a couple days at some point.. it'll be back. IB > have any questions then I'm sure that people wouldn't mind you asking them > on the main list (or probably the acka-research list). Failing that as > Speaker and Registrar JT (jtraub@dragoncat.net) is also obliged bt the or jt@ackanomic.org hehe > rules to answer your questions. I'll see what I can do to get in contact > with you anyway. > > BTW, my current name is Mr. Tambourine Man. > > MTM. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Useless newbie bugging acka-research >This is really wierd. You're the only one I'm having this trouble >with. Anyway, to recap what I mailed you about: I don't know. Our ISPs probably refuse to talk to each other or something. >1) In an attempt to suck up to a veteran player I mentioned what an > honor it was to be your mentee, Well, I'm hardly a "veteran" player having been here under a year out of about two and a half years the game's been going for, but thank you all the same. :-). >2) I also asked you how I was supposed to tell if a given proposal was > good or bad not knowing how it could effect the game (too many > rules to read at once), Essentialy, there is no easy way (that I know of). What I would recomend is that you check out whatever rule(s) the proposal claims to be modifying and see if it looks good to you or not. If there's any particular proposal that you're curious about then feel free to ask. Somehow this message managed to get through to me anyway. I'm sending this back to acka-research anyway though just in case. MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:12:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: Re: Long proposals >> Yes, that reminds me, I tried to get in touch with you and my mail bounced. >> Any chance of giving us @ackanomic.org addresses IdiotBoy? For now if you > >Sure.. tell me what you want. That goes for all of you! Okay then, can I have mtm@ackanomic.org please?How are you working these addresses? Automatic forwarding? Once this has been set up you'll be able to reach me at the above address (hopefully), Rig. If you also ask IB for a similar address then I'll be able to get back to you :-). MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3364 >>{{[Changed to OiCoRT since they then have to deterrmine the otzma card.]}} > >I believe this should either have remained the Financier, or should have >changed to the RuneMaker (who needs to know which cards are out there >anyway). What do other people think about this? Should I retract and resubmit? MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Useless newbie bugging acka-research without using acka in the subject heading breadbox.... hose em down :) K 2 Tom Walmsley wrote: > >This is really wierd. You're the only one I'm having this trouble > >with. Anyway, to recap what I mailed you about: > > I don't know. Our ISPs probably refuse to talk to each other or something. > > >1) In an attempt to suck up to a veteran player I mentioned what an > > honor it was to be your mentee, > > Well, I'm hardly a "veteran" player having been here under a year out of > about two and a half years the game's been going for, but thank you all the > same. :-). > > >2) I also asked you how I was supposed to tell if a given proposal was > > good or bad not knowing how it could effect the game (too many > > rules to read at once), > > Essentialy, there is no easy way (that I know of). What I would recomend is > that you check out whatever rule(s) the proposal claims to be modifying and > see if it looks good to you or not. If there's any particular proposal that > you're curious about then feel free to ask. > > Somehow this message managed to get through to me anyway. I'm sending this > back to acka-research anyway though just in case. > > MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:01 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Big Blue Failure I believe it is infact possible to destroy a gadget as a public action. L'homme a tete de choux wrote: > >>I awake from my torpor and point my RBBTTDDTMR (which, incidentally, is a > >>delightful shade of azure today) at Eric Plumb and press the button marked > >>'ENERGIZE', thus changing eir name to B. Rice Lump. > > > >Fortunately, I don't think that this has any effect since Eric Plumb is no > >longer an unambiguous reference to anyone. It is my former Ackanomic name > >and the real name of another player and so it is not clear who it is > >refering to. > > > >Brie Clump. > > I realised that about five minutes after i attempted to use the big blue thing > (etc) when I read Alfvaen's post that did what I intended to do. > > There's a lesson to be learnt there. > > Anyway, I now point my RBBTTDTTMR at Brie Clump, press the button marked > energize and change eir name to Bruce Limp. Since it is less than so long since > I last tried to use the blue thing, it should cause it to break down, blow up, > whatever. Just in case it doesn't, I again point it at Brie Clump and press the > button marked energize to change eir name to Bile Crump, which should well and > truly break it. If, in fact, my previous attempt worked, and there is now a > player called Bruce Limp, I point the RBBTTDDTMR at em, press the energize > button and change eir name to C. Plier Bum. > > If that doesn't break it, I kick it until it falls to bits. > > Ethelred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:06 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Questions Frank Schmidt wrote: > Once again, is the world cubical now? Yes, breadbox has prolly just forgotten to repeal the rules :) > And why am I listed as having my support proxied > to the Razor Boomerangs? 'Cause I thought you were and (in my time as org-harfer) had seen no indication why you shouldn't be... > If I have my support proxied to any organization, > I hereby stop this proxy support. until now :) K 2 > > > J. M. Bear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Scorekeeper No No no No No nonononononononononon Alfvaen didn't resign e just announced eir intent to do so, e will regin an infintesimally short time just prior to my announcing of the new scorekeeper. K 2 JT wrote: > With Alfvaen's resignation as Scorekeeper, K 2 has become the Acting > Scorekeeper (assuming I'm reading the rules correctly). > (I'd thought it was me which is why I went and checked :) > > --JT > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:20 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3375 Hunting Mu? :) K 2 > Proposal 3375 > Repeal 4 > Brie Clump (Tom Walmsley) > Repeal rule 1209 (The Machine that goes *ping*) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: PayDay But a PW-CFJ returned a FALSE verdict.... K 2 Aaron V. Humphrey wrote: > > 3/08/98 12:00 A$ Brie Clump -18; Feed For The Chartreuse Goose > > Also, I missed this before, but doesn't Rex Mundi have the Goose? I > seem to recall someone having read the Ancient One page of the > Ackanomicon, and I have Rex Mundi down on my scores page... > > -- > --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) > Current Album--Julee Cruise:The Voice of Love > Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End > I have a learner's permit to kill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3377 No refund!!!!! Shame! nomicbot wrote: > Proposal 3377 > Repeal 6 > Brie Clump (Tom Walmsley) > > This is a modest proposal. > > Repeal rule 1013 (Secret Laboratories) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3333 accepted nomicbot wrote: > Results of Proposal 3333 > > 17/22 votes: Quorum achieved > 14/22 YES votes: Proposal accepted > > YES: > K 2 Thats funny I could have sworn I voted NO? But now that I look at it I see that I did, Damn that would've tipped it :/ Must've been day dreaming - I certainly didn't anti-vote ;) Oops! K 2 9 didn't want it 8 players did not enough t'kick it out nor enough t'put it back (without bonus votes of cource ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Gingham Dress ??? Can I interpert this as an offer, or a purchase from the treasury. K 2 two star wrote with Eric Plumb's pen: > I purchase the Gingham Dress owned by else...if for A$20. > I don it. > > **two-star ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Swing! Duncan Richer wrote: > Swingpoints awarded on 3rd August: > 4: J. M. Bear Sorry to rock the boat, but Metamorph is currently undertaking the swingership transfer as an org action, it requires the approval of the church of the good ballot stuffer and J. M. Bear to go ahead now, but will succeeded regardless on the 6/8. Whether or not it actually requires an org action is another story :) For now I'll credit Alfvaen with the points until some convincing reasoning comes along to the contrary... K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: AVPP L'homme a tete de choux wrote: > I think the AVPP now has enough members to be official. They are: > > Idiot Boy > Atilla the Pun > K2 > Tom Walmsley This is giving me a head ache. I've submitted a CFJ on this but since neither it nor my verdict for the CFJ I'm judeing has turned up I'm starting to wonder if they've been lost.... For the record (broken) It is my opinon that no player of the _Ackanomic_ name "Tom Walmsley" has ever existed so *I* am going to harf this as refering quite unambiguously to Mr. Tambourine Man - fortunately for em e in unaligned at the moment.... K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Acka: Reminiscences (was Anti-Voting) Uri Bruck wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote: > > > Heheh, yes. Back when I first joined the game I generally just voted for > > things I didn't understand if they were from someone like Malenkai. That > > was more because I guessed they'd probably be a good thing than because I > > was afraid of offending him though > > In my experience, most proposals that no one understands are just not > written very well - and that includes some of my own proposals. > I don't think that was what e was getting at tho. While I was a new player (now called newbie) I tended to vote for the concept expressed in the {{[prologue]}} for any proposals, whose effects were unclear to me (being unfamiliar with the rules). K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:19:02 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3336 accepted (fwd) JT wrote: > With the passage of Proposal 3336 authored by Publius, the Ode To Joy > by Beethoven begins playing on the ASS. DUMdum da dee Da dee da dee DUMdum da dee Daaa...da da DUMdum da dee Da dee Da dee DUMdum da de daaa...da dum da da da dm da da deeda dm da da deeda dm da dee daa Traa-laa la la la la lee la la lala la la la laaa lala da da da dm da da deeda dum da da deeda dm da dee dum Traa-laa la la la la lee la la lala la la la laaa lalum.... Which reminds me of the popadam song.... but I'll save that for later ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: AWOL You could have done it by private mail and informed us of eir responce.... K 2 BWG forever - Ackanomic's True Solgan. It Happens - Ackanomic's Other True Slogan. JT wrote: > I am notifying myself (as required by rule 257) that it appears that > Zaknafien Dourden, Goldenmean, and Koxvolio have apparently gone AWOL and > that an AWOL message should be sent to them. > > --JT > > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3364 JT wrote: > there is one change in it that I > don't like and don't think was changed to the 'correct' office. > I agree, the officer in charge was changed cause the financier tracks the Museum BV values and it would therefore be slightly easier for em to perform the determination.... K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3324 accepted JT wrote: > I'm not sure if we have to wait for him to call it or if it was called by > the rules automatically and we just have to vote though. We wait... When this happens, the Hearing Harfer shall announce in a public message that a Hearing has been called, naming the type of Hearing, describing the circumstances that brought it about, and listing the valid responses [and other pertinent details]. As of this announcement, the Hearing is in session. K 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:24:44 -0400 (EDT) From: K2 Subject: Re: Useless newbie bugging acka-research without using acka in the subject heading I donate A$ 1 to the twits. K2 wrote: > breadbox.... hose em down :) > > K 2 > > Tom Walmsley wrote: > > > >This is really wierd. You're the only one I'm having this trouble > > >with. Anyway, to recap what I mailed you about: > > > > I don't know. Our ISPs probably refuse to talk to each other or something. > > > > >1) In an attempt to suck up to a veteran player I mentioned what an > > > honor it was to be your mentee, > > > > Well, I'm hardly a "veteran" player having been here under a year out of > > about two and a half years the game's been going for, but thank you all the > > same. :-). > > > > >2) I also asked you how I was supposed to tell if a given proposal was > > > good or bad not knowing how it could effect the game (too many > > > rules to read at once), > > > > Essentialy, there is no easy way (that I know of). What I would recomend is > > that you check out whatever rule(s) the proposal claims to be modifying and > > see if it looks good to you or not. If there's any particular proposal that > > you're curious about then feel free to ask. > > > > Somehow this message managed to get through to me anyway. I'm sending this > > back to acka-research anyway though just in case. > > > > MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Plumb Subject: Re: Acka: Gingham Dress K2 wrote: > > ??? > > Can I interpert this as an offer, or a purchase from the treasury. > > K 2 > > two star wrote with Eric Plumb's pen: > > > I purchase the Gingham Dress owned by else...if for A$20. > > I don it. > > > > **two-star It is a purchase from else...if. His acceptance is not necessary. Rule 940 states: "Any player may purchase a Gingham Dress for A$20." It does not state that this purchase is to be made from the treasury. Since the rule also does not mention any means for Gingham Dresses to be created in the treasury, such a purchase is impossible. Therefore the only reasonable interpretation of this sentence in rule 940 is that it gives any player the right to purchase an extant Gingham Dress. This I did. If else...if has a problem with this, he may buy it back. **two-star ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: AVPP >For the record (broken) It is my opinon that no player of the _Ackanomic_ name >"Tom Walmsley" has ever existed so *I* am going to harf this as refering quite >unambiguously to Mr. Tambourine Man - fortunately for em e in unaligned at the >moment.... If I happen to be a member of any political party then I suggest that it disbands and then leave it. And I'll get round to doing those CFJs soon. MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Useless newbie bugging acka-research without using acka in the subject heading At 12:17 06/08/98 -0400, you wrote: >breadbox.... hose em down :) Erm, doesn't "acka-research" contain the string "acka"? If capitalization is important then hose K 2 as well! :-) MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: Swing! >Sorry to rock the boat, but Metamorph is currently undertaking the >swingership transfer as an org action, it requires the approval of the >church of the good ballot stuffer and J. M. Bear to go ahead now, but >will succeeded regardless on the 6/8. Whether or not it actually >requires an org action is another story :) For now I'll credit Alfvaen >with the points until some convincing reasoning comes along to the >contrary... Okay then. I suggest that the church of the GBS approve the above action and since I am founder this happens. I though Pumpkin Patch Nomic was a member of Metamorph as well? MTM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "else...if" Subject: Acka: Capitalist Promotion RFC I think Niccolo is right that there is no conflict between the capitalist promotors, point pools, and thralls. I like all three, but I think capitalism would work best if done before point pools. So here's my RFC for that: #submit Advertising Replace all occurances of "the Promoter" in the rules with "a promoter" Alter rule 406 to read as delimited by NWO NWO A Promoter License may be purchased from the Treasury for 100 points as a public action. The Promoter License is created in the ownership of the purchasing player. When a Promoter License is created it is given a sequence of two random letters which have not previously been used for a Promoter License. This becomes that Licence's Name Code. Promoter Licenses are tradeable nameless entities. All Promoter Licenses are either Active or Suspended. A Promoter License is Active when it is created. A player who owns an Active Promoter License is a promoter. A Promoter may distribute a proposal sent to them by any player. On the first Monday of each month, each Promoter must pay 10 points to the Treasury. If a Promoter has fewer than 10 points, their Promoter License becomes Suspended. A player who owns a Suspended Promoter License and has at least 50 points may make it active by paying 25 points to the Treasury. When a promoter distributes a proposal, the proposal's number will be the promoter's Licence's Name Code, followed by a positive integer which would make the number unique, prefereable the lowest unused one. The Emergency Promoter's Licence is a non-tradeable Promoter's License with the Name Code "EM". It is always owned by the Tabulator. It is always Suspended unless no player owns another Promoter License; in that case it is Active. The Promoter must distribute all proposals sent to them, however any charges or rewards for the proposal are paid by and to the player who submitted the propsal rather than the promoter. NWO In rule 408, in the list of Tabulator privilages, add the following to the end: " b) To frob or tweak the proposal queue, as a public action. The proposal queue remains in whichever state (frobbed or tweaked) it was last set to. c) b) To ignore any proposal submission from a promoter who already has three or more proposals that are currently being voted on (i.e., in the voting queue). This Privilege may only be exercised when the voting queue is frobbed. [Furthermore, the Tabulator shall only use this power for good, and never for evil.] " Add the following KILLTHEMESSENGER-delimited text to rule 104 after the first sentence KILLTHEMESSENGER When a promoter distributes a Modest proposal, e loses 4 points. When e distributes a Grandiose proposal e loses 12 points. When e distributes a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose, e loses 7 points. If distributing a proposal puts a promoter into negative points, the promoter's license becomes Suspended at the end of the day. {{[So the Tabulator doesn't need to check which proposals are valid]}} KILLTHEMESSENGER Alter rule 207, section III to read as delimited by REWARDTHEMESSENGER REWARDTHEMESSENGER If a Modest proposal is accepted, it's promoter it receives 8 points. If a Grandiose proposal is accepted, it's promoter receives 24 points. If a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is accepted, it's promoter receives 14 points. {{[I scaled this up a little since the promoter will be taking some]}} A proposal can only be declared to be Modest or Grandiose as defined by the Rules. All players who voted on any proposal receive one point. REWARDTHEMESSENGER In rule 207.1, insert "and its promoter" before each occurance of "shall score". Also replace "scores points" with "becomes silly or foolish" in the same rule. In rule 210 replace "author" with "promoter" and "authored" with "distributed". Create rule 503, "Points" reading as delimited by AWARDME AWARDME Points are giftable, nameless entities. A player may own negative points, however a player may not trade or gift negative amounts of points, nor may a player trade or gift more points than e has. AWARDME Repeal rule 603 Add 50 to the weights of all Agenda Hats in existance. In rule 431 replace "Weight bids must be integers between (-2 Magic Number / 3) and (Magic Number / 3). If a player does not send a weight bid for a particular Agenda Condition, that player will be considered to have bid (Magic Number / 3), rounded down, on that condition. " with "Weight bids must be integers between 0 and (TNP)/3. If a player does not send a weight bid for a particular Agenda Condition, that player will be considered to have bid (TNP)/3 rounded down, on that condition. TNP is the total number of points in existance an the beginning of bidding." Remove step g from rule 666 and reletter the list accordingly. #end _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Questions On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, K2 wrote: >Frank Schmidt wrote: > >> Once again, is the world cubical now? > >Yes, breadbox has prolly just forgotten to repeal the rules :) > >> And why am I listed as having my support proxied >> to the Razor Boomerangs? > >'Cause I thought you were and (in my time as org-harfer) had seen no >indication why you shouldn't be... Umm.. as far as I know he was never a member of the Razor Boomerangs which would be a good reason that he woulnd't have his support proxied :) As far as I know the Razor boomerangs has Myself, Joe Java, 867-5309 and Goldenmean The Order of the Razor Boomerangs has Ayla, myself, Joe Java and 867-5309 - --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: AWOL On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, K2 wrote: >You could have done it by private mail and informed us of eir responce.... Actually, I don't believe I could have. It's not specified that this notification can be a private action, and therefor it must by the rules be a public one. - --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:58:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Ray Subject: Re: Acka: Capitalist Promotion RFC else...if wrote: > I think Niccolo is right that there is no conflict between the > capitalist promotors, point pools, and thralls. I like all three, but > I think capitalism would work best if done before point pools. So > here's my RFC for that: > Question: Should a promoter be allowed to post his own proposals, or should he be required to send them to another promoter? Also, is a promoter under this proposal considered to be an officer? If not, are there any timeliness standards, or can he effectively sit on a proposal he doesn't like by claiming he "hasn't had time" to get around to it yet? If he IS an officer, does the three day timeliness standard start when he receives the proposal, or when payment is received? I'm sure there are other questions...those are off the top of my head. It looks like a good first cut, though... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:07:52 -0400 (EDT) From: sharsmvk@localnet.com (Micah Smukler) Subject: Re: Long proposals >Again, especially as a newbie >there is no need to understand what each clause of a proposal does, what >counts is the proposal as a whole, and that's what I think you should vote >on. Except for the clause which says "MTM wins the current cycle". You should definitely understand that one ;-). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "else...if" Subject: Re: Acka: Capitalist Promotion RFC >Question: Should a promoter be allowed to post his >own proposals, or should he be required to send them >to another promoter? Post his own. As a promoter, he doesn't have to pay a premium, but gets no profit from it either. >Also, is a promoter under this proposal considered to >be an officer? If not, are there any timeliness No. >standards, or can he effectively sit on a proposal he >doesn't like by claiming he "hasn't had time" to get >around to it yet? If he IS an officer, does the >three day timeliness standard start when he receives >the proposal, or when payment is received? No timeliness. Of course, if he doesn't send it, you can go to someone else. Yes, you could cheat someone once, but that would be a) horribly bad form (which is usually enough of a discouragement), b) make an enemy, and c) totally destroy your promoting business. Remember, those licences have a fee... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:11:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Raiter Subject: Re: acka : Yet Another New Order > Another, unrelated idea, but that could be easily combined with any > system, is to open up some roles for free enterprise. Let us take the > Promoter's job. Why have only one Promoter. Think about consistent (as in non-duplicated) Proposal numbers. Think about having one Tabulator, who knows precisely, at any given time, what Proposals are up for voting and which aren't. Think about an accurate and well-maintained Proposal archive. breadbox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "else...if" Subject: Re: Acka: Real Life Antivoting >but believe it may pass, I might vote in favor of it, >because I can then move to reconsider the vote if >circumstances change later on. I believe there are strict limits on how quickly you can do this. My memory is by the following session, but I could be wrong. >Hmm. Ackanomic doesn't seem to have a reconsider >provision. Maybe I'll propose one... Yes we do. It's called resubmitting. Reconsidering is used primarily when unusually few people are present, and a person believes voting again at the next meeting with different membership will change the result. That doesn't really happen in Acka. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Raiter Subject: Re: Acka: AVPP > For the record (broken) It is my opinon that no player of the > _Ackanomic_ name "Tom Walmsley" has ever existed so *I* am going to > harf this as refering quite unambiguously to Mr. Tambourine Man - > fortunately for em e in unaligned at the moment.... What are you talking about? The Ackanomic Player with the RL name of "Eric Plumb" held the Ackanomic name "Tom Walmsley" from July 29th until yesterday, when the "True Names" proposal forced him to assume the Ackanomic name of "867-5309". breadbox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:20:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "else...if" Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another New Order >Think about consistent (as in non-duplicated) >Proposal numbers. Think about having one Tabulator, >who knows precisely, at any given time, what >Proposals are up for voting and which aren't. Think >about an accurate and well-maintained Proposal >archive. Clearly we'd need you to agree that the new system would be doable before proposing it, but here are my answers to those questions. I believe you've already seen how I dealt with numbering. I meant to add a clause saying that the Tabulator could specify a location/format the proposal would need to be distributed to besides acka-voting. For example, nomicbot, along with a format you specify. Other than some programming changes, that shouldn't make any extra work for you. Archives, again automated by nomicbot. I don't see that it would be to much worse, but correct me if I'm wrong. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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